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Old 06-12-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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Bank professionals understand earthly grace with loans.
Credit card companies understand earthly grace with 30 days on a card.
Lawyers understand earthly grace with foreclosure services for clients.
Social workers understand earthly grace with welfare money.
Insurance companies understand earthly grace if your spouse passes away or your house on fire.
Police understand earthly grace by giving you a warning if you run a red light the first time.
Judges understand earthly grace by giving you a lighter sentence if you confess to your crime done.
Firemen understand earthly grace if they save your life even though your burned with third degree burns.
Stunt riders understand earthly grace if they walk away from a fall hardly injured.
Cooks undertand earthly grace if they spill something hot and don't get a burn despite no cooking glove on.
Scientists understand earthly grace if their experiment in the lab room explodes and doesn't go how they predicted it.

Yes only a Christian knows something about Eternal Grace enough !!!!

People know Romans 10:9 in their head but despise Romans 6:1 all
their life cause that's how they been raised with so called teachers.

Romans 10:9 is an initial step to God.
Romans 6:1 says repentance opens the door for grace.
John 8:31 says all the book covers repentance.
2 Timothy 2:15 says all the book understood right is repentance.
1 John 2:27 says all the book is not left up to a big shot to get grace.
John 10 says you have to be a child of God to get grace only.
2 Cor. 4:3 says children of the devil only believe Romans 10:9 on grace.
2 Timothy 3:16 sums it up and says grace + repentance = salvation.
2 Cor. 4:3 says people wish they could get grace and can't.
James 1:5 says salvation is a head and heart thing in God.
2 Timothy 2:15 says lazy people have excuses for lacking God in the head.
1 Cor. 8:2 says salvation is a life time profession with perfection pursued to get grace.
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Old 06-12-2010, 06:53 PM
 
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1 Cor. 8:2 says salvation is a life time profession with perfection pursued to get grace.

False witness !

1 Cor 8:2 does not teach such a thing at all! In fact the bible never teaches that salvation is a profession with perfection pursued to get grace!

1 Corinthians 8:2 The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know.

You are teaching a false gospel of legalism, the exact same bewitching gospel that Paul rebuked in Galatia, when he said, "You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?"

Notice carefully the similarities between what you teach and what they taught. They and you start with Jesus but then ADDS HUMAN WORKS!!!

Paul says that the false gospel teaches that we start our Christian walk by having faith in Jesus and after this we must add human effort to remain saved!

So the false gospel they believed in then and that you believe today is we get saved initially by faith in Jesus but we then must add our human works to stay saved.

“After beginning with the Spirit you are now trying to attain your goal by human effort.” - Galatians 3:3

The New Century Version puts it like this: “You began your life in Christ by the Spirit. Now are you trying to make it complete by your own power?”

So the false gospel doesn’t try to tell you that faith in Jesus is not necessary. It is saying that faith in Jesus is not enough!!! And that is what you are indicating!

The false gospel of Christ, the false message of salvation is faith in Jesus PLUS human effort!

Any message about faith in Jesus’ death for salvation, that adds human efforts into the equation, according to Paul “is really no gospel at all” Gal 1:7.
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Old 06-19-2010, 03:05 PM
 
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Default A Believer Test With All The Book Enough

I know you believe Ephesians 2:8.
90% bible believers do.
If you believe John 8:32 then Romans 6:1 is not a problem for you.
If faith to be saved is grace only then we calling God a lier in Romans 6:1.
Works we not saved by is animal offerings, etc.
That's why Paul wrote Ephesians 2:8.
No grace in animal offerings but grace in living out other biblical teachings.
That's the heart of Paul writing Ephesians 2:9-10 and 1 Timothy 6.
Grace by animal offerings, etc. was for a certain time---John 1:17.
Grace in Romans 10:9 confession only not the Romans 6:1 gospel today.

About 1 Cor. 8:2:

What we don't know like we ought to know is certainly talk about God and
salvation as well as knowledge in the seculiar world..

Why be a student in God if perfection in God is a waste of
time---James 1:5 and 2 Timothy 2:15 ?

How can one be saved if they just want a blessing only---1 Timothy 6 ?

Save by grace only in Ephesians 2:8 talking about by other biblical teaching only--Ephesians 2:9-10.

No bible verse voids out another bible verse---2 Timothy 2:15.

Another bible verse may replace another bible verse--2 Timothy 2:15.

That mean old law replacing new law-----John 1:17.

That mean all the book God talking for whatever period of
time---2 Timothy 3:16.

That mean all the book by God and not man---2 Peter 1:20-21.

That mean all the book God explained in revelation---2 Peter 1:20-21.

James and Paul don't conflict the teaching of Christ with the Works talk.

The Works talk referring to biblical teaching on salvation outside of the
animal offerings talk, etc. only.

It's not banning the Hebrews 4 teaching----Ephesians 2:9-10.

It's not banning the John 3:5 teaching---Ephesians 2:9-10.

It's not banning the Romans 6:1 teaching----Ephesians 2:9-10.

It's not banning the 1 Timothy 6 teaching--Ephesians 2:9-10.

It's not banning the Romans 7:2-3 teaching today---Ephesians 2:9-10.

Ephesians 2:8 only banning Works by animal offerings, etc. only.

Saved Works and Unsaved Works make up the 2 Timothy 2:15 teaching.

Saved Works and Unsaved Works make up the 2 Timothy 3:16 teaching.

Saved Works and Unsaved Works make up the 1 Cor. 8:2 teaching.

Revelation in God with biblical truths for salvation is the 1 Cor. 8:2 teaching today.

Perfection in God is the John 8:32 teaching today.

Continuing in atonement confidence only is not the John 8:32 teaching.

Confirmation of that is the Romans 6:1 teaching.

Saved Works and Unsaved Works make up the John 1:17 teaching.

All these Works is all the book by God to do at some appointed
time----John 1:17.

Paul was moved by false teaching not accepting the new
law today----John 1:17.

Old law never been false teaching until it despise the new law
for today only---John 1:17.

This what the 2 Timothy 2:15 teaching bringing out.

Paul can't call his self a lier writing Romans 6:1 cause he wrote
Ephesians 2:8 later.

He not saying we saved by grace only now exactly.

Just grace w/o the animal offerings, etc.

Otherwise we calling Paul a lier in Romans 6:1.

That's what the 2 Timothy 2:15 teaching bringing out .

Just grace don't mean ban Hebrews 4 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban John 3:5 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Romans 6:1 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban John 8:32 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban James 5:20 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 2 Timothy 2:15 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 1 Timothy 6 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 2 Timothy 3:16 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 2 Peter 1:20-21 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Matthew 5:18-20 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 1 Peter 3:3 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 1 Peter 4:1-4 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 1 Timothy 2:9-14 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 1 Timothy 5:9 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Romans 7:2-3 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Romans 12:17 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 2 Cor. 6 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Amos 3:3 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Isaiah 64:6 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 1 John 2:27 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Romans 10:17 teaching to have saving faith.

Just grace don't mean ban John 10 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban John 8:44 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Titus 3:10 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban James 1:5 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Matthew 15:14 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Matthew 10:22 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Luke 12:15 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Luke 3:14 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Mark 16:16 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Galations 1:8-9 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 1 Cor. 8:2 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 1 Thess. 5:12 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Psalms 8:4 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban 1 Cor. 1:25 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Rev. 22:18-19 teaching to be saved.

Just grace don't mean ban Rev. 22:15 teaching to be saved.

Just grace excluding the old law only today---John 1:17

Just grace the new law only today---John 1:17

Just grace excluding the old law ordinances only today---John 1:17

Just grace the rest of the book only today---John 1:17

Just grace condemning old law Works today---John 1:17.

Just grace enforcing new law Works today---John 1:17.

Just grace saying the old law was by God during the time of
Moses only---John 1:17 and 2 Timothy 3:16.

Just grace saying the new law today still God
talking---John 1:17 and 2 Timothy 3:16.

Rules don't conflict rules in all the book by God----1 Cor. 14:33.

Laws don't conflict laws in all the book by God--John 1:17.

Amended books don't change the personality of God in all
the book he inspired into writing on salvation--Rev. 22:18-19.

1 bible topic don't conflict another bible topic on
salvation in God in all the book---1 Cor. 14:33

Wisdom of man can never change the personality of God in all
the book on salvation----Rev. 22:15 and Matthew 5:18-20.

The least of God is all the book on salvation---1 Cor. 1:25.

The best of man is never any of the book on salvation--Psalms 8:4.

1 God appointed writer don't conflict another on salvation
today----2 Peter 1:20-21 and 1 Cor. 14:33.

1 God appointed person with revelation don't conflict another
God appointed person with biblical revelation--2 Peter 1:20-21 &
1 Cor. 14:33.

Mistakes with biblical revelation may occur but not too long with
God appointed people---Titus 3:10 and 1 Cor. 8:2.

Disagreements on biblical revelations may occur but not too long
with God appointed people together----2 Peter 1:20-21 and Titus 3:10.

Biblical unity not phony and partial with God appointed
people together--Amos 3:3, 2 Cor. 6 and John 17 as well as Psalms 133:1.

Biblical revelation not too forbidden in a child of God---John 10
and also 2 Cor. 4:3 as well as 1 John 2:27.

Wisdom of man content with 90% biblical unity only with
people----John 17

It has a serious problem with Romans 6:1 and John 8:32 today.

They have a narrow revelation of God on grace and works cause
they children of the devil----2 Cor. 4:3 and John 8:44.

No child of God calls this biblical unity---2 Cor. 6 and Amos 3:3.

No child of God calls this a saint meeting ever for church--John 17.

Children of the devil think they know what a relationship with God
is only-----Matthew 7:21-24 and John 17.

They think any accomplishment is.

They think atonement in God is only.

They think atonement confession is only.

They think the wisdom of man has a say on it.

They discredit 10% of the bible talking about it.

Pursuing perfection in God don't mean we perfect ever
just Godly to have salvation-----1 Cor. 8:2 and Phillipians 3:13-15.

Pursuing perfection in God don't mean we living out the old
law in a curse; only the lier believes that----John 8:44.

A saint perfecting their walk with God is not a circumcision
work of the devil; only the lier believes that---John 8:44.

Only the lier has a problem with being called a lier
cause he is a lier--John 8:44.

He doesn't know truth from philosophy cause he a lier
to himself and then others---John 8:44 and 2 Peter 1:20-21.

He normally 90% a believer and 10% a philosopher with
the bible book so he got his family he belong to only---John 8:44.

No devil belong to 2 families by divine right---John 8:44.

No devil escaping 1 of the 2 families to belong to forever--John 8:44.

No truth of the bible to mention anywhere can make a child of God a
wicked person passing judgment---James 5:20.

Only liers calls biblical rebukes passing wicked judgment--James 5:20
and John 8:44.

Only liers calls the bible rebukers on them wicked---James 5:20.

Only liers choose to say lies and believe lies---John 8:44 and
2 Peter 1:20-21.

Only liers rebel against truth with philosophy---2 Peter 1:20-21.

Only liers say truth is whatever a man says---Romans 3:1-4.

Only liers say truth is not 100% proven in the book--John 17:17.

Only liers say truth is 10% disputeable with man---2 Peter 1:20-21.

Only liers in spiritual darkness cause of this---2 Cor. 4:3.

Only liers discredit 10% of the bible as God to man---2 Timothy 3:16.

Only liers fight against the biblical revelation of God enough---John 8:44.




































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False witness !

1 Cor 8:2 does not teach such a thing at all! In fact the bible never teaches that salvation is a profession with perfection pursued to get grace!

1 Corinthians 8:2 The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know.

You are teaching a false gospel of legalism, the exact same bewitching gospel that Paul rebuked in Galatia, when he said, "You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?"

Notice carefully the similarities between what you teach and what they taught. They and you start with Jesus but then ADDS HUMAN WORKS!!!

Paul says that the false gospel teaches that we start our Christian walk by having faith in Jesus and after this we must add human effort to remain saved!

So the false gospel they believed in then and that you believe today is we get saved initially by faith in Jesus but we then must add our human works to stay saved.

“After beginning with the Spirit you are now trying to attain your goal by human effort.” - Galatians 3:3

The New Century Version puts it like this: “You began your life in Christ by the Spirit. Now are you trying to make it complete by your own power?”

So the false gospel doesn’t try to tell you that faith in Jesus is not necessary. It is saying that faith in Jesus is not enough!!! And that is what you are indicating!

The false gospel of Christ, the false message of salvation is faith in Jesus PLUS human effort!

Any message about faith in Jesus’ death for salvation, that adds human efforts into the equation, according to Paul “is really no gospel at all” Gal 1:7.
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