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Old 06-13-2010, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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death does not mean "burning alive in fire immortaly and evermore", does it?

see here:

Is it true what they say about Hell? : Pagan Hell

Thanks for that link, Sven. That's a good one.
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Old 06-13-2010, 06:40 AM
 
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There is no doctrine on earth that is more false or more damnable than the Christianized pagan doctrine of endless torture for which there is no redeeming value or purpose whatsoever.
There is nothing pagan about anything Christian because pagan reject Christianity and these web pages who wrote this are wrong,,,,,,, the Church of Christian don`t like the concept of Hell, but the Lord God created a place where he put the devil and his fallen angels to regulate the usless sin from the earth, where the sin that has no authority is removed and the spirit of the devil are sent to this place called hell, but if sin comes to the earth than a measure of these spirit are released to manipulate the earth..... see in Genesis 1 The Lord God gave authority to man the earth and the animals, and if man want sin than he will get it along with the spiritual authority over that sin from the devil...... and if man rejects The Lord God and his ways and choses the devil and his ways then at the end of the Man life he will be sent to the created realm of hell for is authority he choses, and it is not a doctrine of Christians that we made up it is what the Lord God told us through his Word.. See the Lord God separated him self from the darkness of evil and put before us ``Life and death`` and told us to chose LIFE......and compassion for the lost to the Lord has no place for our mercy.........[/quote]

But problem is that the HELL of the ETERNAL TORMENT doctrine doesn't remove sin.
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Old 06-13-2010, 07:13 AM
 
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A critique of "23 Minutes in Hell!"

Is hell a Christian Hoax?


23 Minutes In Hell

Snippets from the above link are below:

The Scriptures know nothing of any such hideous monsters assigned to torture most of humanity for all eternity. The Apostle Peter warned that in the last days "false teachers" would bring into the Church, what he called "damnable heresies" (II Pet. 2:1).

There is no doctrine on earth that is more false or more damnable than the Christianized pagan doctrine of endless torture for which there is no redeeming value or purpose whatsoever.




Well, the Scriptures speak of Hell as a place of eternal torment, and a place where fallen angels will be found. So I have no idea why you would believe otherwise. The doctrine of Hell is usually denied by members or certain cults. Yet clearly Jesus warned of Hell, and clearly the Scriptures speak of Hell. Are you a member of the Watchtower Society?
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Old 06-13-2010, 07:26 AM
 
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Well, the Scriptures speak of Hell as a place of eternal torment, and a place where fallen angels will be found. So I have no idea why you would believe otherwise. The doctrine of Hell is usually denied by members or certain cults. Yet clearly Jesus warned of Hell, and clearly the Scriptures speak of Hell. Are you a member of the Watchtower Society?
The scritpures do not speak of Hell as a place of eternal torment. That understanding is a misunderstanding of the scriptures.
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Old 06-13-2010, 07:28 AM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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The scritpures do not speak of Hell as a place of eternal torment. That understanding is a misunderstanding of the scriptures.
If Campbell would read the link that was provided in the OP, he would know that.
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:10 AM
 
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Well, the Scriptures speak of Hell as a place of eternal torment, and a place where fallen angels will be found. So I have no idea why you would believe otherwise. The doctrine of Hell is usually denied by members or certain cults. Yet clearly Jesus warned of Hell, and clearly the Scriptures speak of Hell. Are you a member of the Watchtower Society?
Hi Campbell.

Do U believe the people of SODOM are still FRYING and the fire is still burning today? If Yes, give reasons why? If NO, also give reasons why plz.
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Quote from OP's link: "The Church teaches that God's "desire" to save all (I Tim. 2:4) is but a weak and unattainable wish"

Sorry, but I have NEVER been to a chuch which teaches that God is weak and anattainable. But then again, you will hear those words only out of the mouths of atheirsts and others who are out to discredit the word of God. When you see comments like that, the warning lights should go off and the article whould be treated like anti-christian garbage that it clearly is.
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:32 AM
 
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Quote from OP's link: "The Church teaches that God's "desire" to save all (I Tim. 2:4) is but a weak and unattainable wish"

Sorry, but I have NEVER been to a chuch which teaches that God is weak and anattainable. But then again, you will hear those words only out of the mouths of atheirsts and others who are out to discredit the word of God. When you see comments like that, the warning lights should go off and the article whould be treated like anti-christian garbage that it clearly is.
No, Finn......what the church teaches is exactly what the OP link suggests. He's not saying that they put it in those exact words, just that the teaching of eternal torment suggests that God cannot and will not get what He desires. It suggests that God's desire to save ALL is but a weak and unattainable wish. Stop twisting everything.
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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He's not saying that they put it in those exact words
That is exactly what he is suggesting. Again, when you see a heavily opinionated comment like that, the warning lights should come.

PS Does God desire people to sin? No, but people sin anyway. You need to dig a little deeper as opposed to simply repeating UR views about each verse. STUDY!!!
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Old 06-13-2010, 08:49 AM
 
Location: East Coast
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I've seen the book for sale even at pharmacies - what a great place to sell a fear-filled book (to those who are sick!). Never read it. But the funny thing is that as the legend usually goes... once a person enters hell they can never leave. But supposedly this guy spent an odd 23 minutes there and then was able to get out of hell. I wonder, was he wearing a watch while he was in hell - or did he set a timer before departing?

Heartsong
How did he get out ?

Easy !!!!

Orthodox Christianity believe that Jesus has the keys to death and hell, so rather than believing this to mean that Jesus Himself went into hades with those keys to set all free from death and the fear of it , He uses those same keys to open and shut this hoax of a place called Eternal torment to throw sinners into it , so Jesus obviously opened the gates of hell for him to enter in and let him out .
You really couldn't make it up .
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