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Old 06-13-2010, 12:33 PM
 
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Probably quite true, in the same sense that Paul Bunyan, Robin Hood, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and other mythological critters are not liars. Those that solely exist in man's imagination are incapable of lying.
What does this statement have to do with Christianity?
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Old 06-13-2010, 12:36 PM
 
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If he mention choice (man's will) or man's will he owes me an apology
My money is on it being ignored.That is,I am learning,the standard MO for evangelicals around here in dealing with the difficult issues.
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Old 06-13-2010, 12:39 PM
 
Location: East Coast
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Talk about bearing false witness of your neighbor. wow! You know them by their fruits....

Perhaps you could try to answer the question from your own viewpoint as opposed to trying answer from the viewpoint which ou disagree with. You just ended up putting words in other people's mouths, and failed to answer the question alltogether.
Finn
Talking about bearing false witness , how many times have you been corrected on what you keep saying those who believe in UR actually believe ?.

Take your time in answering lifertexans questions, i think you may need it
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Old 06-13-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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Actually,I would be interested in hearing why God continues to allow men to be tempted?Or why,if life on earth causes unending torment in hell,why God doesn't cut His losses and end the world now in order to prevent future people from going to hell?Or why He doesn't remove satan and deal with him now,instead of in some far off future?Or why God didn't deal with satan before bringing man on the scene to suffer in hell because of satan?
I can answer that question!!

You have the SDA church to blame for that problem..
If the SDA church [God's REMNANT church on EARTH] OBEYED GOD and released the THREE ANGELS message to the world, CHRIST SECOND COMING would have been history. They ADMIT its their FAULT JESUS is LATE with his second appearance.
They still refuse to give OUT THE 3 ANGELS MESSAGE TO THE WORLD!! The DELAY of JESUS SECOND COMING will continue until the SDA remnant START and FINISH giving the 3 Angels messages!!

We HAVE A LONG TIME TO WAIT UNTIL GOD'S SDA REMNANT GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND RELEASE THESE 3 IMPORTANT MESSAGES TO THE WORLD!! I ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE 3 ANGELS MESSAGE ARE BUT I'M NO LONGER PART OF THAT REMNANT CHURCH OF GOD.

Mr DJconklin is in a position to let you ALL know WHY the DELAY and what the 3 ANGELS MESSAGES ARE. ITS BEST YOU HEAR IT FROM HIM AND NOT FROM ME OR FROM Mr Purpleheart..!!
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Old 06-13-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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God created sin. He created everything. It must be His desire, or else it wouldn't exist..
God created everything including free will, but he did not create sin. Adam and Even sinned out of their free will, and sin entered the world through them, not through God.

just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men

So you say God desires people to sin?

God says that sin is transgression of God's law. It is lawlessness. Would God desire you to break His own law?

1 John 3:4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

He also calls of 'rebellion' and an "offence which separates man from God" (Isaiah 59:2)

If God desires to save all men, then why would he also desire us to commit offences which separate us from Him?

He gave the ten commandments and a whole slew of other laws and instructions, and told us to obey, but you say He desires us to break all those laws.

He says "You shall not murder", but you think He desires us to murder.

He says "You shall not commit adultery", but you think he desires us to commit adultery

He says "Do not steal", but you say he desires you to steal.

He says "Do not worship other Gods", but you say he desires you to worship other Gods.

You got it all upside down.

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You speak as though you have absolutely all the answers....
Why is there some kind of judgement and bitterness in every post you make? It is not nesessary.
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Old 06-13-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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JESUS CHRIST is not a liar. And Jesus tells us in Matthew 25:41 that the cursed ones will enter the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. If you don't believe Jesus own words, what can I say.

And Revelation 20:10 states. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night (FOR EVER AND EVER).

What part of (ETERNAL FIRE, AND FOR EVER AND EVER DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?)
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It's obvious in english what eternal means, and what for ever and ever means. It speaks of an existance without end.
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Yes, you are correct. If God suddenly decided to grant salvation to even one unbeliever after their death, then that would make Him a liar, and that is impossible. God cannot lie:

"It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."


The word of God is emphatic in its declaration of the eternal disposition of those who die having rejected Christ as Savior. There are no second chances after death. No purgatory. Just the terrible realization on the part of those who spurned Christ, of the finality of their eternally lost condition in that place called the lake of fire. The eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels.
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Florida
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God created sin. He created everything. It must be His desire, or else it wouldn't exist. According to the Bible, not my logic, although I wish some people would use more of it, God's desires are always fulfilled. You speak as though you have absolutely all the answers....well answer this.....if God desires no sin, then why does He allow it? If He did not desire that sin exist, it wouldn't. Just that simple.
Romans 11:32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

God Bless,
Mercy
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:03 PM
 
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No, I believe Jesus words, and not the faulty translation of men that have corrupted His words.

Last time I checked ETERNAL means without beginning and without end. So if you believe those words then you would have to believe that punishment has always existed, is existing and always will.




You better check again, because ETERNAL can mean having infinite duration or EVERLASTING. So it would be a mistake if you would believe ETERNAL must mean without beginning. Clearly the Bible tells you, (THAT THE ETERNAL FIRE WAS PREPARED,) for the Devil and his angels. Which would suggest a beginning. You can only believe what you do, if you are willing to ignore the wording of what the Scriptures clearly state.
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:25 PM
 
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Hi Campbell.

Re: Post No 16 You have NOT replied fully to the questions asked. Why is that?

Here it is again below:


Do U believe the people of SODOM are still BURNING and IS the fire still burning today? If Yes to both questions, give reasons why? If NO, also give reasons why plz.
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Old 06-13-2010, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Actually,I would be interested in hearing why God continues to allow men to be tempted??
It is allowed because that is how it is written. We live in a time where Satan is still allowed to deceive people into sinning. He is the "ruler of this world" and will be until is is time when he is driven out (John 12:31). Of course the ultimate ruler is God, but Satan has been given authority to deceive.

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Corinthians 4:4


ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
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