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Old 06-14-2010, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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And two more question, do you believe that Paul still hated Christ after Christ revealed himself to Paul? Do you believe Paul still hated Christ when Paul chose to believe in him?
1. ?? - Paul didn't know what or who hit him
2. N
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:58 PM
 
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1. ?? - Paul didn't know what or who hit him
2. N

So then Paul is not an example of someone who hates Christ(God) choosing Christ(God), yet you answered yes to his question about if someone who hates God will choose him.

The fact is if someone hates Christ they will not choose him. The fact is no one chooses Christ, but Christ chooses them, and ordains them to bare the fruit of the spirit. Until that time, a person who is a sinner cannot believe in Christ. Only after God has revealed himself to the heart and mind of a person and that person is born again of the spirit can they believe in him, and not a second sooner. The carnal man thinks the things of the spirit of God are foolishness. Only one who is born of the spirit can comprehend the things of the spirit according to the scriptures.
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Old 06-14-2010, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Please answer again with Y or N.
I cannot. Your questions are bias. You have my answers...take them or leave them.
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Old 06-14-2010, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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So then Paul is not an example of someone who hates Christ(God) choosing Christ(God), yet you answered yes to his question about if someone who hates God will choose him.

The fact is if someone hates Christ they will not choose him. The fact is no one chooses Christ, but Christ chooses them, and ordains them to bare the fruit of the spirit. Until that time, a person who is a sinner cannot believe in Christ. Only after God has revealed himself to the heart and mind of a person and that person is born again of the spirit can they believe in him, and not a second sooner. The carnal man thinks the things of the spirit of God are foolishness. Only one who is born of the spirit can comprehend the things of the spirit according to the scriptures.
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Old 06-14-2010, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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So then Paul is not an example of someone who hates Christ(God) choosing Christ(God), yet you answered yes to his question about if someone who hates God will choose him.

The fact is if someone hates Christ they will not choose him. The fact is no one chooses Christ, but Christ chooses them, and ordains them to bare the fruit of the spirit. Until that time, a person who is a sinner cannot believe in Christ. Only after God has revealed himself to the heart and mind of a person and that person is born again of the spirit can they believe in him, and not a second sooner. The carnal man thinks the things of the spirit of God are foolishness. Only one who is born of the spirit can comprehend the things of the spirit according to the scriptures.
Paul persecuted Christians. He got blinded. Jesus revealed Himself. Paul had a heart change. You could say that he hated God until Jesus revealed Himself. I don't get the big deal about your two questions.

What you posted in paragraph 2 is true for those alive on earth. Looks good to me.
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:09 PM
 
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Paul persecuted Christians. He got blinded. Jesus revealed Himself. Paul had a heart change. You could say that he hated God until Jesus revealed Himself. I don't get the big deal about your two questions.

What you posted in paragraph 2 is true for those alive on earth. Looks good to me.
And its true for those that will be resurrected.
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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And its true for those that will be resurrected.
I'm sorry - that is simply not indicated in the Bible.
No one can tell me when the "punishment age" ends.

I can tell you where eternal punishment is. I can tell you about the lake of fire and how it torments day and night forever and ever. I can't control whether or not you believe it - but at least I can show it to you.

Why can't you tell me when the "punishment age" ends?
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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I'm sorry - that is simply not indicated in the Bible.
No one can tell me when the "punishment age" ends.

I can tell you where eternal punishment is. I can tell you about the lake of fire and how it torments day and night forever and ever. I can't control whether or not you believe it - but at least I can show it to you.

Why can't you tell me when the "punishment age" ends?
What is the "punishment age?"
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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What is the "punishment age?"
I've never heard the term before. But if you take a look around the globe, I think this must be it. - Heartsong
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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I've never heard the term before. But if you take a look around the globe, I think this must be it. - Heartsong
Yes it seems so...
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