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Old 07-01-2010, 08:35 PM
 
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Thanks ILNC. It is sad that there is such opposition to the teaching of hell so that those who will, can heed the warning and be saved. All you hear about today is the love of God. And certainly, God is love. But His holiness is not compromised by His love. And there quite literally is hell to pay for those who will not adjust to God's justice by receiving Christ as Savior.
Absolutely Mike!! We are going to see more and more of this till Jesus returns.
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Old 07-01-2010, 08:40 PM
 
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What utter nonsense. Are we talking about the same Jesus . . . you know the one who so loved us ALL that He suffered injustice, scourging and crucifixion at our hands? You believe that Jesus will be upset about mere rejection because He loves His own Holiness more?? Whatever did He do to those scumbags who tortured and murdered Him . . . wasn't it . . . "God forgive them they know not what they do?" You have one messed up set of doctrines of men, Mike!!!
Deny the Scriptures to your own destruction and know that you deserve the due penalty of your rejection of the truth. . The same Jesus who came as a lamb the first time will come as a lion the next time and do as He said He will do. One of the first things that Christ will do on His return is to order into the eternal fire, all those who have rejected Him as Savior. All tribulational unbelievers will be thrown off the earth into the eternal fire as per Matthew 25:41,46

You call the Scriptures dead letters in a book and doctrines of men. You have no idea of the depth of your heresy. You have no idea of who God is. Yours are the doctrines of Satan's cosmic system. In rejecting the truth, it is Satan's interests you are serving. Not God's. You are but a pawn of Satan, and you are on the wrong side of the angelic conflict. And you have a lot of company.

What can be more clear than this.

John 3:36 ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life, but he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

And yet, because it offends you, you reject it as dead letters in a book.
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Old 07-01-2010, 08:45 PM
 
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Absolutely Mike!! We are going to see more and more of this till Jesus returns.
Yes. He will find very little faith when He returns. More and more people are rejecting sound doctrine and calling it doctrines of men, not even comprehending that it is they who are caught in Satan's cosmic system.

Woe to those who call good evil, and evil good.
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Old 07-01-2010, 08:50 PM
 
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God's mercy extended grace in the offer of salvation to the world. Those who receive Christ as Savior are eternally saved. God's justice condemns those who reject God's offer of salvation. God's justice is infinitely perfect. And it is He who has declared the punishment of those who fail to adjust to His justice.
God has declared through the writings of the apostles that He is the savior of all people, and that he will have all people to be saved and come to a full knowledge of the truth. Your misinterpretation and the bogus translations which they rely upon are an affront to the true God. You are simply unable to understand it, just like the pharisees and the war mongering murdering clergy of the dark ages before you ...

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Old 07-01-2010, 09:01 PM
 
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The diabolical myth of hell is only a reality in the cruel hearts and elitist minds of self righteous men and women, and in the minds of those who have been deceived by them. God is aware of the cruelty in their hearts and minds, how they value the everlasting suffering of most of the human race ... They can lie to themselves, but they cant lie to God. The wicked servants who would cast their fellows into prison for their debt even though they have been forgiven of their own debt will suffer the same fate as unbelievers, they will be saved, but so as by fire ...

Be careful what you wish for, and what your heart holds to be true and good. Any person who holds cruelty and suffering as righteousness and goodness, will suffer great loss ...

They make those things which are evil out to be as though they were Good ...




Selah ...

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Old 07-01-2010, 09:18 PM
 
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Deny the Scriptures to your own destruction and know that you deserve the due penalty of your rejection of the truth.
I deny the WAY YOU use the scriptures . . . NOT the scriptures. They are USEFUL for instruction. The OT prophesies validate Jesus. But your continued abuse and misuse of them is a dangerous game.
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What can be more clear than this.

John 3:36 ''He who believes in the Son has eternal life, but he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
Quoting it properly would make it a lot clearer. It is "believe ON" . . . Not your silly "believe IN." The phrase used repeatedly in the scripture is "pisteuō eis" . . . believeth on, or into used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative. This refers to an INNER response to Jesus' Holy Spirit in a commitment to a way of life and "love of God and each other" . . . NOT some willful outer proclamation of faith or belief. "Belief on" cannot be willed into existence. It comes from God. We either "believe on" the life Jesus led or we don't. It has to do with what is in our hearts and how we live toward others. If we accept it and live it . . . we "believe on" Jesus . . . no matter what we else claim to believe. This is what makes your doctrine so asinine. Belief cannot be compelled . . . so threats of consequences are irrelevant.

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And yet, because it offends you, you reject it as dead letters in a book.
Because your horrid doctrine offends me I reject it as "dead letter" precepts and doctrines of men "written in ink" . . . that contradict what Jesus unambiguously demonstrated and God has "written in our hearts."

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Old 07-01-2010, 09:33 PM
 
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God has declared through the writings of the apostles that He is the savior of all people, and that he will have all people to be saved and come to a full knowledge of the truth. Your misinterpretation and the bogus translations which they rely upon are an affront to the true God. You are simply unable to understand it, just like the pharisees and the war mongering murdering clergy of the dark ages before you ...
Christ is the Savior of all men in the sense that He died for all. But salvation is contengent upon belief in Christ. Apart from a conscious decision to reveive Christ as Savior, you are not saved. God desires that all men be saved. But not apart from believing the Gospel. It is the foolishness of those who don't have the guts to face reality who twist the scriptures to maintain their fantasy of salvation for all. It is the original lanquages of the Scriptures that proclaim that those who reject Christ will be eternally lost. Translations have nothing to do with it. You cannot use the fact that the KJV translates hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna, all as hell, as an excuse to dismiss what the original languages say about those places.

For those who are interested, here is my thread on what Hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna mean in the original languages

Tartarus, Sheol/Hades, and Gehenna
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Old 07-01-2010, 09:35 PM
 
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The diabolical myth of hell is only a reality in the cruel hearts and elitist minds of self righteous men and women, and in the minds of those who have been deceived by them. God is aware of the cruelty in their hearts and minds, how they value the everlasting suffering of most of the human race ... They can lie to themselves, but they cant lie to God. The wicked servants who would cast their fellows into prison for their debt even though they have been forgiven of their own debt will suffer the same fate as unbelievers, they will be saved, but so as by fire ...

Be careful what you wish for, and what your heart holds to be true and good. Any person who holds cruelty and suffering as righteousness and goodness, will suffer great loss ...

They make those things which are evil out to be as though they were Good ...




Selah ...

Readers may refer to post #207.
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Old 07-01-2010, 09:42 PM
 
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Be careful what you wish for, and what your heart holds to be true and good. Any person who holds cruelty and suffering as righteousness and goodness, will suffer great loss ...

They make those things which are evil out to be as though they were Good ...
Selah ...
Amen! So very true, Iron . . . fortunately they will be saved "as through fire" . . . but the count may be a little low . . . 30-fold or less???
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Old 07-01-2010, 09:52 PM
 
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Christ is the Savior of all men in the sense that He died for all. But salvation is contengent upon belief in Christ. Apart from a conscious decision to reveive Christ as Savior, you are not saved. God desires that all men be saved. But not apart from believing the Gospel. It is the foolishness of those who don't have the guts to face reality who twist the scriptures to maintain their fantasy of salvation for all. It is the original lanquages of the Scriptures that proclaim that those who reject Christ will be eternally lost. Translations have nothing to do with it. You cannot use the fact that the KJV translates hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna, all as hell, as an excuse to dismiss what the original languages say about those places.

For those who are interested, here is my thread on what Hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna mean in the original languages

www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/1010026-tartarus-sheol-hades-gehenna.html

God is the savior of all men, period. He is the savior of all men in every way ... Though not all will be saved the same way.

God will have all be saved, period. It is Gods purpose and plan to save all people, in ever way. Such is the great mystery of Godliness which has been kept hidden since the beginning. And God sent his word into the world to accomplish all that he desires, and his word will not return to him void. The word of God will accomplish all that God desires, period, regardless of the traditions of men you subscribe to which say that it will not. As it is written, the traditions of men make the word of God to no effect. And so does the tradition you teach which teaches that Gods word will not accomplish what he desires which is the salvation of all people. Its plain as day, as plain as the nose on your face, but you would cut your own nose of to spite your face in this regard, all for your own delusions of grandeur ...

God will have all kindred of all the nations turn to him and worship him and sing his name in celebration of his Glory before all is said and done. All things in heaven and on earth and beneath the earth, all of creation which now groans, will sing praises and will confess Christ as lord to the glory of the father in celebration of his great work, and of the power of his word to do all that he pleases. His complete love and perfect righteousness reconciles the whole creation to himself in Christ, as is his desire ... And all flesh shall experience salvation.

Praise God that he will do his will, and accomplish all his desire ... Praise God that the will of man and their hardened hearts cannot usurp the will of God, as God works all things according to the counsel of his own will, and not according to the will of men.


Amen ...

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