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Old 07-01-2010, 11:08 PM
 
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I deny the WAY YOU use the scriptures . . . NOT the scriptures. They are USEFUL for instruction. The OT prophesies validate Jesus. But your continued abuse and misuse of them is a dangerous game.Quoting it properly would make it a lot clearer. It is "believe ON" . . . Not your silly "believe IN." The phrase used repeatedly in the scripture is "pisteuō eis" . . . believeth on, or into used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative. This refers to an INNER response to Jesus' Holy Spirit in a commitment to a way of life and "love of God and each other" . . . NOT some willful outer proclamation of faith or belief. "Belief on" cannot be willed into existence. It comes from God. We either "believe on" the life Jesus led or we don't. It has to do with what is in our hearts and how we live toward others. If we accept it and live it . . . we "believe on" Jesus . . . no matter what we else claim to believe. This is what makes this doctrine so asinine. Belief cannot be compelled . . . so threats of consequences are irrelevant.

Because your horrid doctrine offends me I reject it as "dead letter" precepts and doctrines of men "written in ink" . . . that contradict what Jesus unambiguously demonstrated and God has "written in our hearts."
To believe 'in' or 'on' is the same thing. It means that in understanding the issue in salvation, you trust in Christ to provide that salvation. Salvation is not a commitment. Salvation requires only one initial moment of faith in Christ to provide salvation. Once a person has been saved, he is saved forever. Lordship salvation is a heresy. The spiritual life after salvation is a completely different issue from salvation.

The doctrine of eternal condemnation is the word of God's. Not mine. I didn't create it. What the Scriptures say about hell comes from God Himself. And He means what He says. Those who don't have the guts to face reality, run from it and create their own belief system and hide in it. But truth cannot be denied forever.

Recognizing the reality of the Bible's teaching concerning hell is no game. The 'game' is being played by those such as yourself. It is a game you will lose.

You deny the Scriptures proclamation of the reality of hell. Period. You will not face the truth of what they say because the truth offends you. You are on the wrong side of the angelic conflict. And I think that you will be one who will have to find out the hard way, after you have died, that you believed a fools fantasy.

Get it through your head. It was Jesus Himself who said that He will order into the eternal fire those who reject Him. Matthew 25:41,46; Revelation 20:11-15; Matthew 10:28. It cannot be more plain.

The issue is clear. Face reality, or be a coward and try to run from it.
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Old 07-01-2010, 11:19 PM
 
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To believe 'in' or 'on' is the same thing.
If you refuse to educate yourself . . . there is no hope of you understanding God or salvation or sanctification. There is no ambiguity in the use of believe ON . . . if what you believe were true they would have used believe IN. They are not the same.
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Get it through your head. It was Jesus Himself who said that He will order into the eternal fire those who reject Him. Matthew 25:41,46; Revelation 20:11-15; Matthew 10:28. It cannot be more plain.

The issue is clear. Face reality, or be a coward and try to run from it.
The cowardly are those who believe in ET and claim to believe because of fear of it. Belief can not be faked nor can it be threatened into existence nor achieved by force of will. It is an inner commitment in response to the Holy Spirit within . . . and it is revealed in our "fruits" . . . NOT our claims.
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Old 07-02-2010, 03:34 AM
 
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If you refuse to educate yourself . . . there is no hope of you understanding God or salvation or sanctification. There is no ambiguity in the use of believe ON . . . if what you believe were true they would have used believe IN. They are not the same. The cowardly are those who believe in ET and claim to believe because of fear of it. Belief can not be faked nor can it be threatened into existence nor achieved by force of will. It is an inner commitment in response to the Holy Spirit within . . . and it is revealed in our "fruits" . . . NOT our claims.
To the contrary. they are exactly the same in meaning. The translators of most of the translations understand that.

No. Those who recognize the fact that the Bible states over and over again that those who reject Christ will spend eternity in the lake of fire are not the cowardly ones.


And those are your words about people claimng to believe out of fear. People who believe in God do so because they have been persuaded of His existence. God warns about hell because it is real. And He tells how to avoid it.

But people like you come along and try to lull the gullible into a false sense of security about their eternal future, and you will answer to God for that.

And why are you bringing up faking belief? Who said anything about that?


God has revealed Himself. And He has warned about the consequences to those who reject Christ as Savior. And many will reject Him and will spend eternity in the lake of fire as a result.
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Old 07-02-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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To the contrary. they are exactly the same in meaning. The translators of most of the translations understand that.

No. Those who recognize the fact that the Bible states over and over again that those who reject Christ will spend eternity in the lake of fire are not the cowardly ones.


And those are your words about people claimng to believe out of fear. People who believe in God do so because they have been persuaded of His existence. God warns about hell because it is real. And He tells how to avoid it.

But people like you come along and try to lull the gullible into a false sense of security about their eternal future, and you will answer to God for that.

And why are you bringing up faking belief? Who said anything about that?


God has revealed Himself. And He has warned about the consequences to those who reject Christ as Savior. And many will reject Him and will spend eternity in the lake of fire as a result.
So bottom line is that you, Mike, don't believe in a restoration of ALL things.. but only a few things dependent on people accepting or rejecting those ALL things...

Right? Because even after the Lord returns only some things are restored but never all things because all of the things needing restoration are in eternal hell according to you..
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Old 07-02-2010, 05:53 PM
 
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But people like you come along and try to lull the gullible into a false sense of security about their eternal future, and you will answer to God for that.

And why are you bringing up faking belief? Who said anything about that?
Because the only thing you can be exhorting people to do is to fake belief by proclaiming it. To paraphrase . . . "No one comes to Him except the Father call them." How are they supposed to be persuaded to believe by anything you or I or anyone else says or does not say? Belief is an INNER acceptance of the promptings of the Holy Spirit, period.
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God has revealed Himself. And He has warned about the consequences to those who reject Christ as Savior. And many will reject Him and will spend eternity in the lake of fire as a result.
Since God does the calling . . . how is this just . . . and how does it make any sense to you????
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Old 07-02-2010, 08:43 PM
 
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To the man filled with wax otherwise known as Mike 555...we can read your innuendo in "fella"...and you said this because we said we love you ? , You have no clue who you're reviling.
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Old 07-02-2010, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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To the man filled with wax otherwise known as Mike 555...we can read your innuendo in "fella"...and you said this because we said we love you ? , You have no clue who you're reviling.
He calls me "lady"...
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Old 07-03-2010, 02:46 PM
 
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Because the only thing you can be exhorting people to do is to fake belief by proclaiming it. To paraphrase . . . "No one comes to Him except the Father call them." How are they supposed to be persuaded to believe by anything you or I or anyone else says or does not say? Belief is an INNER acceptance of the promptings of the Holy Spirit, period. Since God does the calling . . . how is this just . . . and how does it make any sense to you????
Faith in Christ is not faked. A person either responds to the Gospel call with true belief or he rejects the Gospel and remains under condemnation. The call of the Gospel is an invitation to come to Christ for salvation. It is an invitation that can be refused. Those who refuse the offer must accept the consequences. Since God provided the means of salvation for fallen man, any who reject the way of salvation that God offers through faith in Christ, are under the perfectly just and fair sentence of God to spend eternity separated from Him in the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels.

Belief is not something that needs to be proclaimed to anyone in order to be saved. Belief in Christ, faith in Christ, is the only condition for salvation.

Acts 16:31 'Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved...'

John 3:16 'For God so loved the world that He gave His uniquely born Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
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Old 07-03-2010, 10:24 PM
 
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Faith in Christ is not faked. A person either responds to the Gospel call with true belief or he rejects the Gospel and remains under condemnation. The call of the Gospel is an invitation to come to Christ for salvation. It is an invitation that can be refused. Those who refuse the offer must accept the consequences. Since God provided the means of salvation for fallen man, any who reject the way of salvation that God offers through faith in Christ, are under the perfectly just and fair sentence of God to spend eternity separated from Him in the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels.

Belief is not something that needs to be proclaimed to anyone in order to be saved. Belief in Christ, faith in Christ, is the only condition for salvation.

Acts 16:31 'Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved...'

John 3:16 'For God so loved the world that He gave His uniquely born Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
WHY are there consequences??? Posting here more and more resembles talking to a wall. At least the wailing wall is not plagued by any expectation of intelligent response.
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Old 07-03-2010, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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Posting here more and more resembles talking to a wall.
You are getting the message now aren't you. There are other walls.
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