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Old 06-18-2010, 11:54 AM
 
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77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, 78Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, Luke 1


21And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: Leviticus 16

Interesting that it's Aaron doing the confessing of the sins and iniquities of the children of Israel .
Doubly interesting that there is a confession involved too
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Old 06-18-2010, 11:55 AM
 
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The pattern for us is the same for creation. If you'll notice, the pattern begins with the Son, then the sons, and finally the harvest.
Harvest of what pray tell us?
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Old 06-18-2010, 12:17 PM
 
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Rev 5:13
and every creature that is in the heaven, and in the earth, and under the earth, and the things that are upon the sea, and the all things in them, heard I saying, `To Him who is sitting upon the throne, and to the Lamb, [is] the blessing, and the honour, and the glory, and the might -- to the ages of the ages!'


Everything in creation, in heaven and in earth and under the earth and on the sea and in the sea will confess unto God and say "blessing and honor and glory and might ....


Again Mike and Sciotamicks would have us believe that all things means only Israel, or all things means one thing ... So they dont believe that in truth every knee shall truly bow and confess unto God as the scriptures plainly declare.

You decide who you believe is twisting scriptures ...
Rev 5:9 and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Your understanding of Revelation is far from the complete, and entire premise of the book itself, and that is the defeat of the covenant of death, the old garment, the old heaven and earth, the old creation, the OLD MAN, for those that are vindicated, and those who are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. The power of sin and death Ironmaw, IS IN THE LAW, and that is what the scripture says. You cannot, in any way, defy this or twist the scriptures to prove your universal salvation views, and IT IS VERY CLEAR, at the close of this elemental transfiguration, that there are those who are CLEARED OF ANY WRONG for their faith, and those that fall short, that become the result of the fate that once held captive the saints like Samuel, David, Daniel, Isaiah, Paul, Peter, John and anyone else after that, experience what the scriptures call the second death, as opposed to be offered the life with Christ eternally

Death is death, and it is not life. And it continues in this new creation.
I rest my case.
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Old 06-18-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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Doubly interesting that there is a confession involved too
Tell me who was doing the confessing ?
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Old 06-18-2010, 02:43 PM
 
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Harvest of what pray tell us?
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Old 06-18-2010, 03:01 PM
 
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Tell me who was doing the confessing ?
A depraved human being that could never amount to Christ.
Christ doesn't confess our sins, we do, as depraved human beings accept Christ's blood as our sin. You mix up the themes.

Type/Shadow to Spiritual Reality.
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Old 06-18-2010, 03:57 PM
 
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A depraved human being that could never amount to Christ.
Christ doesn't confess our sins, we do, as depraved human beings accept Christ's blood as our sin. You mix up the themes.

Type/Shadow to Spiritual Reality.

Why would a priest be confessing the sins of the children of Israel and not the children of Israel themselves ?.

So you think the Old testament priesthood set up by God Himself was not designed on the heavenly design ?

When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.

He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.
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Old 06-18-2010, 03:57 PM
 
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A depraved human being that could never amount to Christ.
Christ doesn't confess our sins, we do, as depraved human beings accept Christ's blood as our sin. You mix up the themes.

Type/Shadow to Spiritual Reality.
Hebrews 2:17 Therefore, He had to be made like His brethren in all things, so that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

So we confess our sins because Christ already made reconciliation for them?

But you say they must confess their sins as propitiation of their own as well? Where do you see that taught? All sin must have been confessed already because there is no more sacrifice left for sin.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1 John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

1 John 4:14 We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

So really confessing one's sin is not for God's benefit as an ego maniac but for the conscience of the person who confesses them. This has nothing to do with what Christ did once, for all, but man's perception of it.
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Old 06-18-2010, 04:04 PM
 
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That's your take on it Kat, but your take lacks much thereof.
You can't see past Christ as being only a man, not God in the Flesh.
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Old 06-18-2010, 06:03 PM
 
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Why would a priest be confessing the sins of the children of Israel and not the children of Israel themselves ?.

So you think the Old testament priesthood set up by God Himself was not designed on the heavenly design ?

When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.

He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.
Christ is God in the flesh, Aaron was not.
And those of the faith, just like John, are priests and kings now.

We do the confessing.
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