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Old 06-21-2010, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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Betsey,
If we know He's "fair," then we know that He doesn't give some people a few years of life to "choose Christ" and other people over 100 years to "choose." That would be "unfair."
Just by looking around this world we have been placed in, we come to an understanding that it can only be God who is guiding our lives, determining our length of days and habitations. We are all made differently, with different roads to take before He makes us to know Him.
God's "fairness" is putting all men in disobedience in order to have mercy upon all. THIS is fairness.

Blessings,
brian
That's why TODAY is the day of salvation, TODAY!! Be it you're 7, 12, 24, 40, 56, or 76 years-old........TODAY is the day of salvation! The very fact that you woke up this morning is 'long enough"! That's fair!

No, He doesn't give some 10 and others 100 to "choose" Him, He give you them to be a light in a dark place (the world); BUT SHINE YOU MUST! He does the "drawing, the "pulling", the "tugging"...........we do the answering: Say yes!! TODAY!
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:27 PM
 
Location: East Coast
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That's why TODAY is the day of salvation, TODAY!! Be it you're 7, 12, 24, 40, 56, or 76 years-old........TODAY is the day of salvation! The very fact that you woke up this morning is 'long enough"! That's fair!

No, He doesn't give some 10 and others 100 to "choose" Him, He give you them to be a light in a dark place (the world); BUT SHINE YOU MUST! He does the "drawing, the "pulling", the "tugging"...........we do the answering: Say yes!! TODAY!
We all have our day Betsey and my day was not your day and visa versa.

The day you first believed was not a day early nor a day late.
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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It also means everlasting. Stop restricting the meanings of words. You guys incessantly do that. That's why you keep believing in the false teaching of universal reconciliation--well, it's one reason, at least.
Truth stated plainly. Eis Aion's translation is "For ages or For ages and ages", which is another way of saying "for ever and ever." Aionios is exactly the same application for eternal and everlasting. As language developed, as it is today, it changes, while its menaing never does.

UR removes the simplicity of it and twists it to form another doctrine, that never existed in scripture in the first place.
Only to satisfy misplaced hope.
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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Jesus in His own words made it so very simple.He did,however,bury the truth a bit so that when Jesus quoted what God said through Isaiah in Matthew 13:14 "And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which said, By hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and shall not perceive",It could be understood that He was saying that people (like scribes,Pharisees,& Sadducees) would not be able to understand His teachings,particularly His parables,because they worshiped at the altar of their own understanding (See Proverbs 3:5&6),creating a god in their own image,& denying the one true God who created them in His image.Jesus very simply addressed Heaven & Hell,& He did so in Luke 16,19 through 31.It will show that there are 2 destinations,not just 1,not 3,not 17.It will show that they who do not believe will show it by their actions (the rich man).They will show that they who believe (Lazarus) may well not be able to show proof through works in a way that the world will see,but they will have a ministry that gives the world opportunity to repent (As Lazarus did),even though the world,as represented by the rich man,will walk past this opportunity every day.Is there a Heaven & Hell? Jesus said so.You may try to argue words/concepts/Old Testament/New Testament,but there is a linearity that leads directly from this passage to Revelation 20:11-15.Here is what Jesus plainly said about Heaven & Hell in Luke 16:19-31:

19“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23In hell,c where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

25“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

27“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house, 28for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

29“Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

30“‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

31“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Have you been convinced by One risen from the dead today?Is His light cast upon your life making you want to be like Him?Is His power changing your life today?God bless you.If today you are not sure that you are worshiping Jesus,If you are believing something you have been taught or told or are desperately clinging to out of fear,let go.Find Jesus.Find Him in His word.He is there,He loves you just as you are,but he loves you too much to leave you as you are.Again,God bless you
And if you never post another thing here on C.D. (hope you do though ) THIS.........has spoken VOLUME!! Godspeed to you.
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:49 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Truth stated plainly. Eis Aion's translation is "For ages or For ages and ages", which is another way of saying "for ever and ever." Aionios is exactly the same application for eternal and everlasting. As language developed, as it is today, it changes, while its menaing never does.

UR removes the simplicity of it and twists it to form another doctrine, that never existed in scripture in the first place.
Only to satisfy misplaced hope.

http://http.cdnlayer.com/cf/images/smilies/amen.gif (broken link)

http://http.cdnlayer.com/cf/images/smilies/onion/lost.gif (broken link) Matthew 25:41
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:57 PM
 
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Matthew 25:41
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

I'm perplexed at your choice of graphics and smilies. Please explain.
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Old 06-21-2010, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I'm perplexed at your choice of graphics and smilies. Please explain.
Sparrow,

It is futile to try to reason with evil....a waste of your valuable time.

“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. - Matthew 10:16

Heartsong
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Old 06-21-2010, 10:01 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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I'm perplexed at your choice of graphics and smilies. Please explain.
the and http://http.cdnlayer.com/cf/images/smilies/amen.gif (broken link) are simply saying that I agree with sciotamicks explanation.


This -> http://http.cdnlayer.com/cf/images/smilies/onion/lost.gif (broken link) is to represent those on the left that Jesus sends away.

Jesus does have the final say. All that are evil, unbelieving are damned.

"Depart from me into the eternal fire" Matthew 25:41
"Then the king told the attendants, 'Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 'Matthew 22:13
"There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out." Luke 13:28

You know my position is, and if anybody counters with the "all means all" can... as my illustrious antagonists have said to me:

"you might as well speak to the wall in front of you , because i ain't listening to such baloney."
" the mind of the man who truely believes this is warped."
"it is meaningless, because it is God that tells us these things....Take it up with the almighty."

Yes God does tell us.... Matthew 25:41 'Matthew 22:13 Luke 13:28 Matthew 13:42.....and on and on.

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Old 06-21-2010, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Betsey,
If we know He's "fair," then we know that He doesn't give some people a few years of life to "choose Christ" and other people over 100 years to "choose." That would be "unfair."
Just by looking around this world we have been placed in, we come to an understanding that it can only be God who is guiding our lives, determining our length of days and habitations. We are all made differently, with different roads to take before He makes us to know Him.
God's "fairness" is putting all men in disobedience in order to have mercy upon all. THIS is fairness.

Blessings,
brian

The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
1“For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire men to work in his vineyard. 2He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
3“About the third hour he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5So they went.
“He went out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour and did the same thing. 6About the eleventh hour he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’
7“‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.
“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’
8“When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’
9“The workers who were hired about the eleventh hour came and each received a denarius. 10So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12‘These men who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
13“But he answered one of them, ‘Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
16“So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

Was paying the men the same regardless of the hours they worked fair....

"Or are you envious because I am generous?"
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Old 06-22-2010, 02:02 AM
 
Location: Italy
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That's why TODAY is the day of salvation, TODAY!! Be it you're 7, 12, 24, 40, 56, or 76 years-old........TODAY is the day of salvation! The very fact that you woke up this morning is 'long enough"! That's fair!

No, He doesn't give some 10 and others 100 to "choose" Him, He give you them to be a light in a dark place (the world); BUT SHINE YOU MUST! He does the "drawing, the "pulling", the "tugging"...........we do the answering: Say yes!! TODAY!
Your answer is not relevant to the question: why would God give someone 10 years to choose Christ (or less) and another person 100-plus years.
The answer is that God does not "give people enough time to answer."
God is not calling all people right now. He is calling out a people for His name's sake. These will be Sons who will lead the rest back into the fold.

This is part of the reason you aren't able to convert sinners. They see the arrogance in your statements that "you chose Christ" when in fact you were not able to choose a fig tree to sit under.
GOD does the choosing, and it is HE who gets the glory.
Those who say that they "chose Christ" are glorying in themselves, and the world knows this. THIS is why Christians are so often seen as self-righteous.

The world KNOWS that we have no righteousness in ourselves, and yet they see very clearly the self-righteousness of those who declare that they have "made the right decision," as if they are their own saviors.

I know you will not agree with this, and I know you cannot even understand it. God made you the way you are, and I accept you nonetheless.
In fact, I accept all people, because God made all things to praise His Name.
I will stand hard against the demon of self-righteousness that I see in the church, yet I know that God is working all things to His design.

Many blessings to you,
brian
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