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Old 06-18-2010, 10:13 PM
 
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Consider for a moment of what goes on in many of these UR vs ET threads. The ETers will hurl argumentative insults towards the glorious gospel of God revolving around the Universal Saving power of God in order to gain a nugget of Truth. Essentially the UR is being baited with a rebellious arrogant attitude and gets rewarded with GOLD in the form of the TRUTHful comments that URs provide. Please cease from this. If a ETer wants the Truth don't reward the combative carnal nature with the Gold such that it gets treated as dung. But rather reward the seeker that desires the Truth with such Gold. Stop pandering to the unbeliever as if they will believe. God must FIRST give the heart. If the heart is not there then don't throw the Truth at a decieved heart. Giving the Truth to such a carnal nature is just to give the carnal nature power.

I hope this is understood. We must love our enemies and those that oppose UR but as brothers knowing that they are just deceived and not givin the heart. Once the heart desires then reveal, that is the sign that God has given a new heart.

In love of my brethren in Christ,

Paul
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:16 PM
 
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There is no question that the gospel centered around UR is glorious and exciting and that it drives us to want to tell the world but we are given directive concerning this in the scriptures. Let us not think that nobody can be moved by this gospel but let's not think that the nature of the evil one should hear of it, nor pray for that one which is so inclined to oppose it. Let them rather fall nature to Satan such that they should understand weakness and their mountain should be lowered to a valley and they become humble and seek our Lord as we did and be saved.
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:23 PM
 
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Consider for a moment of what goes on in many of these UR vs ET threads. The ETers will hurl argumentative insults towards the glorious gospel of God revolving around the Universal Saving power of God in order to gain a nugget of Truth. Essentially the UR is being baited with a rebellious arrogant attitude and gets rewarded with GOLD in the form of the TRUTHful comments that URs provide. Please cease from this. If a ETer wants the Truth don't reward the combative carnal nature with the Gold such that it gets treated as dung. But rather reward the seeker that desires the Truth with such Gold. Stop pandering to the unbeliever as if they will believe. God must FIRST give the heart. If the heart is not there then don't throw the Truth at a decieved heart. Giving the Truth to such a carnal nature is just to give the carnal nature power.

I hope this is understood. We must love our enemies and those that oppose UR but as brothers knowing that they are just deceived and not givin the heart. Once the heart desires then reveal, that is the sign that God has given a new heart.

In love of my brethren in Christ,
Paul
To the contrary. It is those who promote universal salvation that pervert the Gospel. Whether you realize it or not, you are promoting the lies of Satan and promoting a false sense of security to those who are lost.

Many of those who promote universal salvation are not even saved and are going to spend eternity in the lake of fire.

Those of you who will not come to a knowledge of the truth will have to learn the hard way, after it is too late to do you any good. Many of you are going to spend eternity in the eternal fire regreting your rejection of the truth. But it is your own fault and there will be no one to blame but yourselves.
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:35 PM
 
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To the contrary. It is those who promote universal salvation that pervert the Gospel. Whether you realize it or not, you are promoting the lies of Satan and promoting a false sense of security to those who are lost.

Many of those who promote universal salvation are not even saved and are going to spend eternity in the lake of fire.

Those of you who will not come to a knowledge of the truth will have to learn the hard way, after it is too late to do you any good. Many of you are going to spend eternity in the eternal fire regreting your rejection of the truth. But it is your own fault and there will be no one to blame but yourselves.
This response of yours Mike reveals so much . The message is believe on the Son of God

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

You see eternal life is who you have believed in and not what you believe (ET or UR)

You are condemning those to an eternity in torment because they do not believe the same as you ?????
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:41 PM
 
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This response of yours Mike reveals so much . The message is believe on the Son of God

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

You see eternal life is who you have believed in and not what you believe (ET or UR)

You are condemning those to an eternity in torment because they do not believe the same as you ?????
PCAMPS don't respond to Mike, let him have his message. You should know I love you PCAMPS and I mean this constructively. Let him have his platform. My point is that we should not give to those that don't desire it the Truth. If they are desiring opposition then let them have the opposer. Even Jesus fled from the places where the new heart was not found.

We should be no different. Give them over to their heart.
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:44 PM
 
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This response of yours Mike reveals so much . The message is believe on the Son of God

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

You see eternal life is who you have believed in and not what you believe (ET or UR)

You are condemning those to an eternity in torment because they do not believe the same as you ?????
Exactly! Many on this forum do NOT believe in the God of the Bible. They don't believe in the deity of Christ and do not know Him. He will say to them, "I never knew you: depart from me"
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:49 PM
 
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Consider for a moment of what goes on in many of these UR vs ET threads. The ETers will hurl argumentative insults towards the glorious gospel of God revolving around the Universal Saving power of God in order to gain a nugget of Truth. Essentially the UR is being baited with a rebellious arrogant attitude and gets rewarded with GOLD in the form of the TRUTHful comments that URs provide. Please cease from this. If a ETer wants the Truth don't reward the combative carnal nature with the Gold such that it gets treated as dung. But rather reward the seeker that desires the Truth with such Gold. Stop pandering to the unbeliever as if they will believe. God must FIRST give the heart. If the heart is not there then don't throw the Truth at a decieved heart. Giving the Truth to such a carnal nature is just to give the carnal nature power.

I hope this is understood. We must love our enemies and those that oppose UR but as brothers knowing that they are just deceived and not givin the heart. Once the heart desires then reveal, that is the sign that God has given a new heart.

In love of my brethren in Christ,

Paul
Paul, I will be praying and praying and praying for you. My heart cries for you.
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:55 PM
 
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Paul, I will be praying and praying and praying for you. My heart cries for you.
My love, just pray for our unbelieving brothers. I rather they receive your efforts. Thank you cantwait2leave. May God have Mercy on them as He is having on us. But only pray that God should reveal Himself to them in His due time. Remember, that there misfortune is part of God's plan to bring us all to understand the fallacy of "free will".
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:59 PM
 
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Consider for a moment of what goes on in many of these UR vs ET threads. The ETers will hurl argumentative insults towards the glorious gospel of God revolving around the Universal Saving power of God in order to gain a nugget of Truth. Essentially the UR is being baited with a rebellious arrogant attitude and gets rewarded with GOLD in the form of the TRUTHful comments that URs provide. Please cease from this. If a ETer wants the Truth don't reward the combative carnal nature with the Gold such that it gets treated as dung. But rather reward the seeker that desires the Truth with such Gold. Stop pandering to the unbeliever as if they will believe. God must FIRST give the heart. If the heart is not there then don't throw the Truth at a decieved heart. Giving the Truth to such a carnal nature is just to give the carnal nature power.

I hope this is understood. We must love our enemies and those that oppose UR but as brothers knowing that they are just deceived and not givin the heart. Once the heart desires then reveal, that is the sign that God has given a new heart.

In love of my brethren in Christ,

Paul
If we read the Words of Jesus with our soul, our soul will grab hold of the Divine Truths they contain. Such veracity cannot be established by the mere operations of the mind, because, "The natural Man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are Spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14)

God's Love transforms our souls from its carnal nature. Our new hearts will never cease to beat in the rythm of truth.

I agree with you Trettep
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:59 PM
 
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This response of yours Mike reveals so much . The message is believe on the Son of God

3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

You see eternal life is who you have believed in and not what you believe (ET or UR)

You are condemning those to an eternity in torment because they do not believe the same as you ?????
PCamps, can I jump in and throw my 2 cents in this, you know i am not an ETer or URer . . .

You said "The message is believe on the Son of God" . . . this is the most important part of your message, the URers message, and what I believe.

Believe on the Son of God . . . where the differences are as we all know is . . . the part of the UR's belief that it is not necessary to believe in the Son of God to get eternal life . . . but everyone who ever lived, who heard the truth and knowingly made a mental decision to not take up the Cross, they too, will be saved . . .that's the main dividing part and where things get hot here.

The other thing is this . . I think this is good, the constant back and for between us . . . you see, I have learned so much from both sides . . . (yes, there is bickering, yelling, sarcasm thrown in), but for the most part . . . it really provides a very good education in many areas.

Look, Ilene Wright when from staunch ETer to URer . . . and I she seems very peaceful and in a good place with her new belief . . . so alot of good comes from these discussions for people here.

I personally have learned alot about translations, different scriptures, the background and history of the church, certain people in the Bible, scripture I didn't know, and discussions her led me to different bible studies
I probably would have never done.
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