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Old 06-21-2010, 03:32 AM
 
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Think about it, if anyone but God tortured the vast majority of humankind they would be considered evil, but if God does it he has a right to do it. My question is, doesn't this thereotically mean God could 'get away' with anything and still be considered good? I agree though. Who are we to question him? But if that be true, there's no intrinsic value in mercy. Mercy is what then; giving our enemies on earth a little mercy before they die and receive no mercy at all? Wouldn't it be funny if Jesus said to be merciful to your enemies, ONLY FOR HIM TO SHOW NO MERCY FOR THEM WHATSOEVER? Jesus said to be patient with those who hurt you. Who could possibly hurt Jesus/God, yet God wants to enact everlasting vengeance on your souls?
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Old 06-21-2010, 05:52 AM
 
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Think about it, if anyone but God tortured the vast majority of humankind they would be considered evil, but if God does it he has a right to do it. My question is, doesn't this thereotically mean God could 'get away' with anything and still be considered good? I agree though. Who are we to question him? But if that be true, there's no intrinsic value in mercy. Mercy is what then; giving our enemies on earth a little mercy before they die and receive no mercy at all? Wouldn't it be funny if Jesus said to be merciful to your enemies, ONLY FOR HIM TO SHOW NO MERCY FOR THEM WHATSOEVER? Jesus said to be patient with those who hurt you. Who could possibly hurt Jesus/God, yet God wants to enact everlasting vengeance on your souls?
How terribly reasonable of you. You can't use reason when talking about God, you know. Or as Martin Zender put it, you basically need to check your brain in the foyer coat room before you can sit through the average church sermon. By all means, do NOT take your reasonable mind into the "sanctuary" with you. It will only cause trouble.
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:19 AM
 
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Think about it, if anyone but God tortured the vast majority of humankind they would be considered evil, but if God does it he has a right to do it. My question is, doesn't this thereotically mean God could 'get away' with anything and still be considered good? I agree though. Who are we to question him? But if that be true, there's no intrinsic value in mercy. Mercy is what then; giving our enemies on earth a little mercy before they die and receive no mercy at all? Wouldn't it be funny if Jesus said to be merciful to your enemies, ONLY FOR HIM TO SHOW NO MERCY FOR THEM WHATSOEVER? Jesus said to be patient with those who hurt you. Who could possibly hurt Jesus/God, yet God wants to enact everlasting vengeance on your souls?
Good post Trimac


Wait for someone to quote this at you

"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts

Not understanding what it really means .

Here's a clue to it , the clue is in the bolded words

If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!
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Old 06-21-2010, 08:40 AM
 
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Mr5150 runs out the door screaming:

NOT ANOTHER UNIVERSALIST THREAD!!!
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Old 06-21-2010, 09:37 AM
 
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Good post Trimac


Wait for someone to quote this at you

"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts

Not understanding what it really means .

Here's a clue to it , the clue is in the bolded words

If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!
God is good. I'm so glad He is!
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:01 PM
 
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Mr5150 runs out the door screaming:

NOT ANOTHER UNIVERSALIST THREAD!!!

Don't ferget yer cheez
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:41 PM
 
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The idea that God is good simply because he is God is a concept that is exploited in order to rationalize certain doctrinal positions as having validity when in reality they do not.

Once someone makes that assertion, then there is really no reason attached to an argument against it. This is actually what makes it false.


When someone believes that God allows any of his creation to be lost forever they can feel better about it saying that we cannot understand God, so therefor whatever God does is righteous.

When someone believes that God created human beings for the sole purpoase of damning them to hell then they can feel better about it by saying that we cannot understand God and if God chose to damn every single human being he ever created, then he is still righteous.

When someone believes it was for Gods good purpose to plan a child rape and in fact controlled the person who raped the child because it was for some good purpose they can say that whatever God does is beyond our understanding and therefore whatever God does is righteous,


Fact is the above scenarios are real beliefs of people right here in this forum and they have no idea what they are talking about.

It is possible to know what God will and will not do and to know what God can and cannot do and it is that knowledge that we learn to know that God is Good.

Fact is God could be evil and just because this God calls himself Good does not make it so, it would only mean we were subject to an evil God and there wouldn't be any thing anyone could do about it.
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Old 06-22-2010, 11:40 PM
 
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Mr5150 runs out the door screaming:

NOT ANOTHER UNIVERSALIST THREAD!!!
So I guess you're over your attitude, "I am learning a lot about Universalism on this board. Thanks! Good to gain knowledge. "
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Old 06-23-2010, 04:00 PM
 
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So I guess you're over your attitude, "I am learning a lot about Universalism on this board. Thanks! Good to gain knowledge. "
I was just being funny. I think I've learned all I need to know about Universalism. I understand it. But I have grown tired of all of the UR threads.

God's truth will be known re UR. In the meantime, we have our opinions.

I think I'm right about UR, but I could be wrong.
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:34 PM
 
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I was just being funny. I think I've learned all I need to know about Universalism. I understand it. But I have grown tired of all of the UR threads.

God's truth will be known re UR. In the meantime, we have our opinions.

I think I'm right about UR, but I could be wrong.
Well, I must say I completely understand because when I believed in ET, no amount of learning about UR or reading others' opinions would have changed my mind. In fact, I had never heard of Christian Universalism in my whole life when I began to feel it in my heart. I know some don't like to hear it, but I truly believe the Holy Spirit revealed it to me when I cried out to God and asked Him what it was I was supposed to do to keep people from burning in hell.
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