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Old 12-15-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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The truth of the matter is that Black and white started with Jacob and Esau. Esau is the father of the Edomites, while Jacob is the father of the other races.
No, it did not. The OP is about recorded history, and in the Bible, Ham was black, born of Noah, whose wife may have been black, herself -or red, -or whatever, as the genetic information from the first parents was not isolated into pockets until the confounding of the tongue and the subsequent isolation of the tribes by the division of tongues.
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Old 12-15-2010, 10:39 AM
 
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You guys....

Noah popped out praising God eh? What a weird scene. Maybe he ran around and did a dance too!? Hopefully they cut the cord first.
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:42 AM
 
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You guys....

Noah popped out praising God eh? What a weird scene. Maybe he ran around and did a dance too!? Hopefully they cut the cord first.
So? Adam, immediately after creation, named all the animals God created, making up the names from his own, pre-programmed, root etymons, with the built in understanding of their meanings.
So Noah spoke at birth, praising God in the hands of the midwife, and shone with the light of the anointing of God? -So?
-Is that any harder than a donkey speaking to a man, with a man's voice? or harder than a serpent speaking to Eve? -No.

FYI: the eleven month old son of the woman who accused Joseph, to get him in trouble because he would not fall for her seductions, spoke, and told the facts of the seduction try of his mother, against Joseph -as recorded in the Book of Jasher:
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Jasher Chapter 48 - The Book of Jasher Published by J.H. Parry & Company 1887
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And whilst Potiphar's men were beating Joseph, he continued to cry out and weep, and there was a child there eleven months old, and the Lord opened the mouth of the child, and he spake these words before Potiphar's men, who were smiting Joseph, saying,
65

What do you want of this man, and why do you do this evil unto him? my mother speaketh falsely and uttereth lies; thus was the transaction.
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And the child told them accurately all that happened, and all the words of Zelicah to Joseph day after day did he declare unto them.
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And all the men heard the words of the child and they wondered greatly at the child's words, and the child ceased to speak and became still.
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And Potiphar was very much ashamed at the words of his son, and he commanded his men not to beat Joseph any more, and the men ceased beating Joseph.
69

And Potiphar took Joseph and ordered him to be brought to justice before the priests, who were judges belonging to the king, in order to judge him concerning this affair.
I have video of one of my grandsons at age 1 month [now age 171/2], verbally interacting with me and trying, hard as he could -getting his whole body into it- to form the words he wanted to say, but could not quite get the sound right, while staring me in the eyes. He tells me that he remembers the frustration of not being able to form the words he wanted to form, at that age; and because he was in my house for one month, from age two weeks to six weeks, and because I had noted his intelligence in observing everything around him, always craning his neck to look around, and take it all in, before that, then I believe him. He also can tell what he was thinking at the time of any event recorded on video when he was too young to actually carry on the conversations, and there are lots of recordings, because they lived 2500 miles away until he was ten months old; and there are lots more recordings after that, when they lived another 2000 miles away, but in another direction [Indiana to Alaska].

I once was at a wedding of a friends daughter, when one of her grandbabies, aged four months, whom she was holding while we talked, planted a kiss -with an open mouth on her cheek- and said "I wuv u gamma". I was delightedly surprised and asked her about it; "did I hear that", and she said; "yes, you did".


So, Noah was anointed by the Spirit of the LORD and got it right in the forming of the words of praise, right out of the womb, when "God opened his mouth". -And what is so hard about that?

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Old 12-15-2010, 01:03 PM
 
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You guys....

Noah popped out praising God eh? What a weird scene. Maybe he ran around and did a dance too!? Hopefully they cut the cord first.
no wonder he had such an obsession with water
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Old 04-17-2014, 03:50 PM
 
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eve was made from man and she to was also white .
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Old 04-17-2014, 09:55 PM
 
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Maybe we were created as experiments. To till the land for gold.
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Old 07-27-2015, 05:09 AM
 
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Adam was not white. He was RED. His very name says it all. ADAM means RED. Adam was not only the man's name. It was also initially his wife's name. they were both RED
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Old 07-27-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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The Book of Enoch, in the Totemic imagery of the nations' dream visions, reveals that Adam was white, Eve black, Cain black, Abel red. Seth in the image/likeness of his papa means nothing more than Seth was the first white seed of Adam, born of Eve.

There was, in Enoch, no "yellow" or "green/olive" or purplish [some black skin tones] seed. Those variations of skin tone are from the mixed genetic information of Adam's genes, when the black and white melanin information is mixed in differing amounts. Red was the first mixture variation, in Abel.

The sons of the gods -the nephillim/titans- were "white", mostly blonde. When Noah was born, he was so white and shining, and spoke at birth, praising God, that his daddy, Lamech, accused his wife of fornicating with the fallen Watchers, and did not believe that Noah was his, for his whiteness. Lamech fled to his daddy, Methusaleh, to seek advice about why Noah was so white and shining and spoke. Methusaleh then fled to the gates of Eden to call out to Enoch, who was translated and dwelling with the holy Watcher angels, there. *
Methusaleh called out to Enoch from the gates of Eden; "Hear me"! "Hear Me"! "Hear me"! three times; and Enoch came to him and gave the prophetic assurance that Noah was indeed Lamech's seed, and would survive the flood, etc...

Then, in the dream visions of the history of the world, with the tribes depicted in totemic imagery, Noah's three sons were black, red, and white.
The tribes descending from the three sons of Noah and their multicolored wives were not separated by color, at Babel, but by tongues. Seventy tongues were the separation of the tribes, at Babel, and those tribes began to scatter out over the earth by tongue division, becoming more and more genetically isolated, and shrinking the gene pool for variations in physical characteristics, because of the scattering by language barriers.
As they scattered, and as the seventy tongues continued to divide like tree branches, to the five thousand plus of modern times, there was never a barrier made by skin color or any other physical characteristic, but by language.
Children were varying shades of colors, mixed from the first parents, the black Eve and white Adam.
As tribes scattered, they fought because of language barriers at first, but then because of any reason. Brother fought, and fights, brother, with no distinction of color. Black and middle brown Arabs fought black and middle brown blacks, enslaving them, in ancient times -and do in modern times.
Nimrod, the first tribal conqueror and dictator, and Nebuchadnezzar, his direct descendant, were both black. Nebuchadnezzar ruled the entire world, "wherever man, beast, and fowl dwelt" -the entire globe. Nebuchadnezzar was the first king of all the kings of the world, by conquest. Colossal images of the face of Nebuchadnezzar, the first one world/global ruler, who was called the "king of kings", by YHWH, in Daniel 4, have been dug up in Mexico, in the area of the Olmecs, who were waning in their culture's height of achievements, already, when Nebuchadnezzar ruled the kings -who ruled the kings... who ruled them.

All this is said to put to rest the idea of superiority of any skin color, in the eyes of the Creator, who made all Adam-kind of one blood, one flesh, one spirit, one bone, and male and female; and wrote each seed of Adam in the Book of Life, before creation, to come forth in the pre-ordained time, in the pre-ordained tribes/famlies, in the pre-ordained boundaries [days to live]of their "habitation [bodies]", as the Book of Enoch, the OT, and the NT teach us, "for His glory".

Malachi 2:15 -One Adam spirit [each seed come to fruit has their own share/remnant of the Adam spirit].

Genesis 5:2 One Adam kind/race, made Male and female.

Genesis 2: 23; Acts 17: 25,26. One Adam kind flesh, one Adam kind bone, one Adam kind blood [the blood is made from the bone marrow]; male and female persons make one flesh.

Abraham had two black wives/ishyah, in the course of his life; Hagar and Keturah. Sarai was white.

Moses married a black wife in Cush/Ethiopia, but never went in to her. The marriage was for politicical expediency. When Moses took the throne of Cush, he got the late king's wife [Jasher -"And all the people and nobles swore unto him to give him for a wife Adoniah the queen, the Cush -ite/Ethiopian, wife of Kikianus, and they made Moses king over them on that day. Book of Jasher 72 ]. Miriam was struck with leprosy for speaking against Moses because of the Ethiopian wife he had married [he had also left her in Ethiopia, when her son grew up, who was the late king's heir, who took the throne. Moses departed in peace, with gifts from the Chus -ites, to Midian].
In Midian, Moses married Zipporah, a Midianite, descended from Abraham through the Canaanite woman, Keturah, whom he married after Sarah died. Only in Jasher is the story told of the Egyptian wife of Moses which is mentioned in Exodus. Jasher. What is told in Jasher is redacted in Moses' Genesis record. -And I believe there is enoguh evidence in Jasher to prove that Moses wrote Jasher -the Correct/Upright record", as the longer form of history, which he does redact for the Torah, esp his own history.

Joseph married a black Egyptian wife, and many of the sons of Jacob took Canaanite wives, and the shades of skin colors varied, then, as they do today, in the descendants of Jacob, who have among themselves Asian Jews, black African Jews, and "white" European Jews, among others, and red, olive, black and white skin tones among the tribes -with all manner of variations of the skin tones and hair, eyes, etc.

* Mount Eden: the heavenly realm/Mount Zion above, which Adam was cast out from and gated from entering into, which gate was guarded by Cherubim with flaming swords, so that no Adam could enter and eat of the Tree of Life and live forever in the unclean Adam flesh. For if they had, there would be no hope for redemption by cleansing and rebirth of Spirit and Flesh, for the Glory to dwell in them, which glory Adam lost, at the fall.
You realize, of course, that the book of Enoch is a forgery and it is not scripture....right?
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Old 07-30-2015, 10:15 PM
 
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The Book of Enoch is not, and has never been historically, part of the Bible. It is ancient Hebrew spiritual fiction that reflects the world view of the people and culture that wrote it. While it is interesting to read, to use it to explain the origin of races and ethnic groups today is ludicrous. The modern concept of race did not exist in biblical times. No one can say what "color" Adam, Eve, Seth, etc were. Besides, many believing Christians consider them to be symbolic archetypes rather than literal people.
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Old 07-30-2015, 11:52 PM
 
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The Book of Enoch, in the Totemic imagery of the nations' dream visions, reveals that Adam was white, Eve black, Cain black, Abel red. Seth in the image/likeness of his papa means nothing more than Seth was the first white seed of Adam, born of Eve.

There was, in Enoch, no "yellow" or "green/olive" or purplish [some black skin tones] seed. Those variations of skin tone are from the mixed genetic information of Adam's genes, when the black and white melanin information is mixed in differing amounts. Red was the first mixture variation, in Abel.

The sons of the gods -the nephillim/titans- were "white", mostly blonde. When Noah was born, he was so white and shining, and spoke at birth, praising God, that his daddy, Lamech, accused his wife of fornicating with the fallen Watchers, and did not believe that Noah was his, for his whiteness. Lamech fled to his daddy, Methusaleh, to seek advice about why Noah was so white and shining and spoke. Methusaleh then fled to the gates of Eden to call out to Enoch, who was translated and dwelling with the holy Watcher angels, there. *
Methusaleh called out to Enoch from the gates of Eden; "Hear me"! "Hear Me"! "Hear me"! three times; and Enoch came to him and gave the prophetic assurance that Noah was indeed Lamech's seed, and would survive the flood, etc...

Then, in the dream visions of the history of the world, with the tribes depicted in totemic imagery, Noah's three sons were black, red, and white.
The tribes descending from the three sons of Noah and their multicolored wives were not separated by color, at Babel, but by tongues. Seventy tongues were the separation of the tribes, at Babel, and those tribes began to scatter out over the earth by tongue division, becoming more and more genetically isolated, and shrinking the gene pool for variations in physical characteristics, because of the scattering by language barriers.
As they scattered, and as the seventy tongues continued to divide like tree branches, to the five thousand plus of modern times, there was never a barrier made by skin color or any other physical characteristic, but by language.
Children were varying shades of colors, mixed from the first parents, the black Eve and white Adam.
As tribes scattered, they fought because of language barriers at first, but then because of any reason. Brother fought, and fights, brother, with no distinction of color. Black and middle brown Arabs fought black and middle brown blacks, enslaving them, in ancient times -and do in modern times.
Nimrod, the first tribal conqueror and dictator, and Nebuchadnezzar, his direct descendant, were both black. Nebuchadnezzar ruled the entire world, "wherever man, beast, and fowl dwelt" -the entire globe. Nebuchadnezzar was the first king of all the kings of the world, by conquest. Colossal images of the face of Nebuchadnezzar, the first one world/global ruler, who was called the "king of kings", by YHWH, in Daniel 4, have been dug up in Mexico, in the area of the Olmecs, who were waning in their culture's height of achievements, already, when Nebuchadnezzar ruled the kings -who ruled the kings... who ruled them.

All this is said to put to rest the idea of superiority of any skin color, in the eyes of the Creator, who made all Adam-kind of one blood, one flesh, one spirit, one bone, and male and female; and wrote each seed of Adam in the Book of Life, before creation, to come forth in the pre-ordained time, in the pre-ordained tribes/famlies, in the pre-ordained boundaries [days to live]of their "habitation [bodies]", as the Book of Enoch, the OT, and the NT teach us, "for His glory".

Malachi 2:15 -One Adam spirit [each seed come to fruit has their own share/remnant of the Adam spirit].

Genesis 5:2 One Adam kind/race, made Male and female.

Genesis 2: 23; Acts 17: 25,26. One Adam kind flesh, one Adam kind bone, one Adam kind blood [the blood is made from the bone marrow]; male and female persons make one flesh.

Abraham had two black wives/ishyah, in the course of his life; Hagar and Keturah. Sarai was white.

Moses married a black wife in Cush/Ethiopia, but never went in to her. The marriage was for politicical expediency. When Moses took the throne of Cush, he got the late king's wife [Jasher -"And all the people and nobles swore unto him to give him for a wife Adoniah the queen, the Cush -ite/Ethiopian, wife of Kikianus, and they made Moses king over them on that day. Book of Jasher 72 ]. Miriam was struck with leprosy for speaking against Moses because of the Ethiopian wife he had married [he had also left her in Ethiopia, when her son grew up, who was the late king's heir, who took the throne. Moses departed in peace, with gifts from the Chus -ites, to Midian].
In Midian, Moses married Zipporah, a Midianite, descended from Abraham through the Canaanite woman, Keturah, whom he married after Sarah died. Only in Jasher is the story told of the Egyptian wife of Moses which is mentioned in Exodus. Jasher. What is told in Jasher is redacted in Moses' Genesis record. -And I believe there is enoguh evidence in Jasher to prove that Moses wrote Jasher -the Correct/Upright record", as the longer form of history, which he does redact for the Torah, esp his own history.

Joseph married a black Egyptian wife, and many of the sons of Jacob took Canaanite wives, and the shades of skin colors varied, then, as they do today, in the descendants of Jacob, who have among themselves Asian Jews, black African Jews, and "white" European Jews, among others, and red, olive, black and white skin tones among the tribes -with all manner of variations of the skin tones and hair, eyes, etc.

* Mount Eden: the heavenly realm/Mount Zion above, which Adam was cast out from and gated from entering into, which gate was guarded by Cherubim with flaming swords, so that no Adam could enter and eat of the Tree of Life and live forever in the unclean Adam flesh. For if they had, there would be no hope for redemption by cleansing and rebirth of Spirit and Flesh, for the Glory to dwell in them, which glory Adam lost, at the fall.
I believe that this book of Enoch is not the real book of Enoch which has been.

You should be carefully for all those Gnostic book what are in released.

I recommended none of them, for anyone.

In the books of the Bible you find what you need to find, but if you add some Gnostic books in that you only get your self confused, and probably manage spread out some false doctrines in the world

Those Gnostic book's are lie.
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