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Old 03-13-2018, 12:10 AM
 
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Messengers' are not all angels, some are false accusers.
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Old 03-13-2018, 12:12 AM
 
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GINOLJC, first thanks for the reply. second, that's an ERROR on your pat for believing such false things. the Bible tells us more than you think. as for your example, where Cain got his wife from, or where did the Nephilim come from. it's all in the bible.

now to just peak your curiosity, Cain's wife was one of his none fallen cousin from the children that Adam and Eve had in the garden before they fell into sin, and before Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel outside the garden.

see you had no clue that Adam and Eve had Children in the garden before they had Cain and Able outside the garden.

knowing that, it answers the Nephilim questions, as well as the Sons of God in Genesis chapter 6.

by not knowing the Bible, men make Errors.

Like not knowing Adam and Eve had children in the garden before they had Cain and Abel. then comes the lie, "the gap theory". the fallen angel lie, or the false Seth line lie, for the sons of God.

see, lies come when you don't know.


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Cain and Abel were born in the Garden...This shows how much you understand...
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Old 03-13-2018, 12:14 AM
 
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GINOLJC, first thanks for the reply. second, that's an ERROR on your pat for believing such false things. the Bible tells us more than you think. as for your example, where Cain got his wife from, or where did the Nephilim come from. it's all in the bible.

now to just peak your curiosity, Cain's wife was one of his none fallen cousin from the children that Adam and Eve had in the garden before they fell into sin, and before Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel outside the garden.

see you had no clue that Adam and Eve had Children in the garden before they had Cain and Able outside the garden.

knowing that, it answers the Nephilim questions, as well as the Sons of God in Genesis chapter 6.

by not knowing the Bible, men make Errors.

Like not knowing Adam and Eve had children in the garden before they had Cain and Abel. then comes the lie, "the gap theory". the fallen angel lie, or the false Seth line lie, for the sons of God.

see, lies come when you don't know.


PCY
Cain’s wife was his sister...
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Old 03-13-2018, 12:15 AM
 
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The Nephilim were NOT normal men, If they were just regular men, who were very influential or powerful, I dont think they would have a specific name given to them, in order to refer to them as such. and if they were just powerful men, why were other men, who were very powerful and influential at the time, not referred to as Nephilim as well?

How they came to be, is one of those things that we are not meant to know the details of, its really not that important either, sort of like asking the question of where the physical body/ mass come from when angels took on human form...its not something that can be explained in a way we can understand.
Nephalim just means the fallen...
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Old 03-13-2018, 04:42 AM
 
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Who or what exactly are the benei elokim? Who are the nephilim? How are they related to each other? And what does it all mean?

One thing benei elokim does not mean is “sons of G‑d.” In fact, Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai would “curse” anyone who translated the term benei elokim as the “sons of G‑d.”1 The word elokim in Scripture, while generally referring to G‑d, is in essence merely an expression of authority.2 Similarly, the term benei does not necessarily mean “sons,” but is often just a title. Benei chorin, for example, means those who are free—not “sons of freedom.”

Nephilim seems to be derived from the verb-root naphal, meaning “fall.” From where did they fall? Are they the same as the benei elokim? And if so, why are they called by two names?

The Midrash and commentaries offer three explanations: - https://www.chabad.org/parshah/artic...nts-or-Men.htm
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:04 AM
 
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Cain and Abel were born in the Garden...This shows how much you understand...
Not the one God planted and put the man in. Genesis 3:23 "Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 "So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life".

then they had Cain and Abel , OUTSIDE the garden.

now if you have a different scripture showing otherwise please post it.

PCY.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:07 AM
 
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Cain’s wife was his sister...
post scripture to that effect.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:10 AM
 
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Who or what exactly are the benei elokim? Who are the nephilim? How are they related to each other? And what does it all mean?

One thing benei elokim does not mean is “sons of G‑d.” In fact, Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai would “curse” anyone who translated the term benei elokim as the “sons of G‑d.”1 The word elokim in Scripture, while generally referring to G‑d, is in essence merely an expression of authority.2 Similarly, the term benei does not necessarily mean “sons,” but is often just a title. Benei chorin, for example, means those who are free—not “sons of freedom.”

Nephilim seems to be derived from the verb-root naphal, meaning “fall.” From where did they fall? Are they the same as the benei elokim? And if so, why are they called by two names?

The Midrash and commentaries offer three explanations: - https://www.chabad.org/parshah/artic...nts-or-Men.htm
I'm glad you brought these things up, now we can see why you missed to Lord Jesus knowledge in creation.

I'm looking forward to the discussion.

PCY.
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:47 AM
 
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ok, no more hidden things, the first man, and woman, Adam and Eve had children inside the Garden before they had Cain and Able outside the Garden. this information can be found in Genesis chapter 3 .

PCY
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Old 03-14-2018, 05:13 AM
 
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ok, no more hidden things, the first man, and woman, Adam and Eve had children inside the Garden before they had Cain and Able outside the Garden. this information can be found in Genesis chapter 3 .

PCY
Cain and Abel were conceived and born in Gan Eden according to the Hebrew...In the Hebrew is say that Adam “had known his wife, Chava”, this was before the exile from Gan Eden...
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