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Old 08-28-2016, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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Here's one of those memories that thinking back on as an adult and a parent is horrifying to me...

When I was a young teen, a family in the neighborhood asked me to babysit their son. They seemed to think that because I was a pastor's kid, I'd be a good choice, even though they weren't church-goers themselves. I'd been thoroughly indoctrinated with the fear of hell and I was worried for this kid, because his parents weren't religious. So, I asked him if he believed in Jesus and when he said no I went into a full-fledged verbal assault. I HAD to convince him he was a sinner deserving of hell, or he'd see no reason to believe in Jesus as his savior. That poor, poor child. He was crying and saying he wasn't a sinner and he didn't deserve that, and I was crying because I was so scared for his eternal soul. But in the end, he got angry and told me to get out of his room and leave him alone. God bless him, and God bless his parents for raising that boy to stand up for himself like he did.

He told his parents, his parents called my father, and my father asked me what had happened. By then, I'd become downright self-righteous about the whole thing: I was trying to save his eternal soul, after all. So, I told my dad what I'd said and done. HE looked horrified, and I couldn't understand that at all. I confronted him with what I'd been told all my life by him, and by the people in the church he pastored ... that receiving Jesus as your savior was the single most important thing one must do. (The denomination I was raised in does not believe in any "age of accountability", so non-Christian children were going to hell right alongside the adults.) This boy wasn't saved, and his parents sure weren't going to teach him about Jesus.

So, what was I supposed to do? Not care? Not say anything? Leave that boy to suffer an eternity in hell? Didn't God want me to have the courage to tell him the "gospel"? As I remember it, my dad didn't say anything more to me about it but I could tell he was conflicted, and I was devastated by that. If it was as important as I'd always been taught, why was it even a question in his mind that I'd done the right thing?

I was such a thoughtless religious zealot. I still get teary-eyed when I think about that boy.
I guess we just believe what we are told huh.


I took real serious too.
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Old 08-28-2016, 08:30 AM
 
Location: USA
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I guess we just believe what we are told huh.

I took real serious too.

I don't know. Seems like I read a lot of posts where people say they knew from an early age that it was a bunch of malarkey. I wasn't one of them, obviously.
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Old 08-28-2016, 03:50 PM
 
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Here's one of those memories that thinking back on as an adult and a parent is horrifying to me...
When I was a young teen, a family in the neighborhood asked me to babysit their son. They seemed to think that because I was a pastor's kid, I'd be a good choice, even though they weren't church-goers themselves. I'd been thoroughly indoctrinated with the fear of hell and I was worried for this kid, because his parents weren't religious. So, I asked him if he believed in Jesus and when he said no I went into a full-fledged verbal assault. I HAD to convince him he was a sinner deserving of hell, or he'd see no reason to believe in Jesus as his savior. That poor, poor child. He was crying and saying he wasn't a sinner and he didn't deserve that, and I was crying because I was so scared for his eternal soul. But in the end, he got angry and told me to get out of his room and leave him alone. God bless him, and God bless his parents for raising that boy to stand up for himself like he did.
He told his parents, his parents called my father, and my father asked me what had happened. By then, I'd become downright self-righteous about the whole thing: I was trying to save his eternal soul, after all. So, I told my dad what I'd said and done. HE looked horrified, and I couldn't understand that at all. I confronted him with what I'd been told all my life by him, and by the people in the church he pastored ... that receiving Jesus as your savior was the single most important thing one must do. (The denomination I was raised in does not believe in any "age of accountability", so non-Christian children were going to hell right alongside the adults.) This boy wasn't saved, and his parents sure weren't going to teach him about Jesus.
So, what was I supposed to do? Not care? Not say anything? Leave that boy to suffer an eternity in hell? Didn't God want me to have the courage to tell him the "gospel"? As I remember it, my dad didn't say anything more to me about it but I could tell he was conflicted, and I was devastated by that. If it was as important as I'd always been taught, why was it even a question in his mind that I'd done the right thing?
I was such a thoughtless religious zealot. I still get teary-eyed when I think about that boy.
You were not thoughtless, Pleroo. You were genuinely loving but your love was corrupted by the hell doctrine. It became the motivation to spread the evil doctrine. What you did was out of love. Your parents and the evil doctrine of hell are the responsible parties, not you.
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Old 08-28-2016, 06:25 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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I don't know. Seems like I read a lot of posts where people say they knew from an early age that it was a bunch of malarkey. I wasn't one of them, obviously.
Don't be hard on yourself.

I turned 65 this year and keep learning by the day.

I hope it never stops until/if I stop.
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Old 08-28-2016, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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Don't be hard on yourself.

I turned 65 this year and keep learning by the day.

I hope it never stops until/if I stop.
I don't think learning ever stops even after you die.
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Old 08-28-2016, 08:45 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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I don't think learning ever stops even after you die.
I'm keeping the door to that possibility open a crack.

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Old 08-28-2016, 08:46 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Here's me 40 years ago. Certainly no innocence there!

Ever get a nosebleed from those heels, Raf?


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Old 08-29-2016, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Ever get a nosebleed from those heels, Raf?


I fell off them a few times!
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Old 08-29-2016, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Booth Texas
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I fell off them a few times!
Freaking awesome picture man, reminds me of me dressed in my kiss costume.
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Old 09-03-2016, 10:17 AM
 
Location: New England
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Heading out for dinner on our last day in the UK. Managed to visit Stonehenge this morning before the good old British weather showed up. Had a wonderful time here, the wedding of my son,seeing all my family and friends and doing some touring around this wonderful country.
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