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Old 06-25-2010, 02:31 PM
 
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dont let the devil make u become bitter with eachother.

there is no way to peace peace is the way.
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Old 06-25-2010, 02:54 PM
 
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A rhetorical question.....Doesn't matter what I think...what the scriptures think...that is what matters.
God says an increase and election, meaning not all. Stick to the text legoman, and spare us your emotional plight.
Was that a "no" answer? "God says an increase and election, meaning not all". Does that mean "no"?

Why do you never answer this question? I've asked you several times in the past. Never gotten an answer. I want to know what you personally think.

sciotamicks, do you personally think that God wants to save all people?
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Old 06-25-2010, 03:01 PM
 
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Was that a "no" answer? "God says an increase and election, meaning not all". Does that mean "no"?

Why do you never answer this question? I've asked you several times in the past. Never gotten an answer. I want to know what you personally think.

sciotamicks, do you personally think that God wants to save all people?
It is rude to demand.

Yes, God desires that everyone would accept his invitation, but at the same time He knows that not everyone will accept it. He will follow his own rule which dictates that only those who are born again will be saved. If he did not follow His own rule, it would make him a liar, which is impossible.
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Old 06-25-2010, 03:10 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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dont let the devil make u become bitter with eachother.

there is no way to peace peace is the way.
Amen Selina
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Old 06-25-2010, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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BHFT,

First of all, I never said I believe God will save all mankind. I said nothing is impossible for God. Implying that is what I meant is an assumption and incorrect.

Calvinism does not propose that Christ saved only the elect, only that the elect are the only ones who will be saved. Calvinsim fully supports the salvific effort of Christ in that it is enough for all mankind.

You are fundamentally wrong about Calvinism.

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limited atonement. The sacrifice of Christ on the cross was for the purpose of saving the elect.

The above has nothing to do with the nature of that salvation, only that it will be only graced for those that believe in Christ.

Also called "particular redemption" or "definite atonement", the doctrine of limited atonement asserts that Jesus' substitutionary atonement was definite and certain in its design and accomplishment. This implies that only the sins of the elect were atoned for by Jesus' death. Calvinists do not believe, however, that the atonement is limited in its value or power (in other words, God could have elected everyone and used it to atone for them all), but rather that the atonement is limited in the sense that it is designed for some and not all.
Hence, Calvinists hold that the atonement is sufficient for all and efficient for the elect.

You lack much in your understanding of the doctrine.

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Being chosen means believing in Christ, whether Calvinist, Armenian Etc.

Yeah, right.
I see the truth now with you...you deny confession and belief in Christ to be saved.

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Like the potter and the clay. Another perfect example of being refined by fire. The potter shapes the clay into it's form and fires it to make it useful
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"All Isreal will be saved." Do you believe that verse or think it's a lie?


They already are. Jew and Gentile is all Israel.
Those who believe in Christ. Next?
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Old 06-25-2010, 03:12 PM
 
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Yes, God desires that everyone would accept his invitation, but at the same time He knows that not everyone will accept it. He will follow his own rule which dictates that only those who are born again will be saved. If he did not follow His own rule, it would make him a liar, which is impossible.
Finn, this "rule" you speak of is just another word for "law." But, Galatians 2:21 says this: "I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

So, Paul teaches us that there is NO rule that makes us righteous. Christ died to make us righteous, and we had no part in that. "No law" includes "only those who are born again will be saved." Jesus said, "You MUST be born again." He didn't say, "You should choose to be born again." We were all born and didn't have a choice in the matter. We will all be born again and have no choice in the matter.
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Old 06-25-2010, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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Was that a "no" answer? "God says an increase and election, meaning not all". Does that mean "no"?

Why do you never answer this question? I've asked you several times in the past. Never gotten an answer. I want to know what you personally think.

sciotamicks, do you personally think that God wants to save all people?
Legoman,

Why do you persist on what I think? Who cares what I think...I am a savage and depraved in my own sin and emotions. It is not up to me to say what He will do. Yet you think it is up to you and that you are going to put more words into the scriptures to prove your own feeble emotional desires for those lost. I answered your question, because you didn't like it is not my issue, it is yours. The scriptures say there are elect, the scriptures say that the kingdom increases, implying that there are those not in the kingdom. Folks suffer a second death. This is not life, but death ...that means no refinement. That is my answer.

God will not save all mankind, because He never said He would.
He just offered salvation for all mankind. That's is it.
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Old 06-25-2010, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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Finn, this "rule" you speak of is just another word for "law." But, Galatians 2:21 says this: "I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
Christ fulfilled the law, therefore all laws point to Him.

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We will all be born again and have no choice in the matter.
Scripture?
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Old 06-25-2010, 03:23 PM
 
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Scripture?
"What's born of the flesh is flesh. What's born of the spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I say unto you, you must be born again."
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Old 06-25-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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.... to prove your own feeble emotional desires for those lost.
That speaks volumes.
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