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Old 06-26-2010, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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All are saved through Christ, this is what I believe the power of Gods love does, because that is what God promises it will do and as humans we know true love corrects. Gods is true love, so correction is the only outcome.
Correction? Post mortem?

Man's separation from God throughout eternity will have been caused by two factors: (1) they sinned against God; and (2) they had not been taught and thus were not able to take advantage of the gospel plan of salvation that was offered to all men as the free gift of God (Romans 5:15-21; 6:23b) to restore them to a covenant relationship with Him.

Man, not a disembodied soul after they die. Man is lost as a result of being afflicted with the horrible “disease” of sin, a condition that, unless treated, always is fatal (Romans 6:23). Because God is depicted within Scripture not only as loving (2 Corinthians 13:11; 1 John 4:7-16) and merciful (James 5:11), but also as holy (Psalm 22:3) and just (Psalm 89:14; Isaiah 45:19; Revelation 16:7), He cannot (and will not!) overlook sin. It must be (and will be!) punished.

You preach a differnt gospel than what is in the Bible.

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Correction to perfection, this is not exclusive to you and what you believe as you falsely propose through your emotional state of mind.
It is you that has an emotional state of mind, that defers God's divine self state, and that He can never, ever change from what He has already stated.
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Old 06-26-2010, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Florida
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All will confess Jesus as Lord, and that is the cornerstone of salvation.
The confession in front of the throne of judgement will be too late. The Bible explains where the unbelievers go after judgement.
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Old 06-26-2010, 11:22 AM
 
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The confession in front of the throne of judgement will be too late. The Bible explains where the unbelievers go after judgement.

Confessing Jesus as Lord is never too late, it is the means of salvation.
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Old 06-26-2010, 11:23 AM
 
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Correction? Post mortem?

Man's separation from God throughout eternity will have been caused by two factors: (1) they sinned against God; and (2) they had not been taught and thus were not able to take advantage of the gospel plan of salvation that was offered to all men as the free gift of God (Romans 5:15-21; 6:23b) to restore them to a covenant relationship with Him.

Man, not a disembodied soul after they die. Man is lost as a result of being afflicted with the horrible “disease” of sin, a condition that, unless treated, always is fatal (Romans 6:23). Because God is depicted within Scripture not only as loving (2 Corinthians 13:11; 1 John 4:7-16) and merciful (James 5:11), but also as holy (Psalm 22:3) and just (Psalm 89:14; Isaiah 45:19; Revelation 16:7), He cannot (and will not!) overlook sin. It must be (and will be!) punished.

You preach a differnt gospel than what is in the Bible.



It is you that has an emotional state of mind, that defers God's divine self state, and that He can never, ever change from what He has already stated.


You preach your own gospel and claim it is in the bible and therefor anyone who does not agree with you is damned, proving it is of your nature and emotional state that you make your assertions.
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Old 06-26-2010, 11:46 AM
 
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One task is finished, but not everything is done yet. One day God will say "It is done":

He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
Yes. We both know that scripture. The difference is that you think the fiery lake is a literal fire (not literal lake I guess, since that would be water), and I think the fiery lake is spiritual. You think it accomplishes the purpose of infinite punishment for finite sins, and I think it accomplishes the purpose of correction and reconciliation to God.
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Old 06-26-2010, 12:13 PM
 
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...So after 30 pages of ongoing, ongoing, ongoing, June has just one ittsy bitsy, simple little question:

Is she going to hell, or not?


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Old 06-26-2010, 12:38 PM
 
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...So after 30 pages of ongoing, ongoing, ongoing, June has just one ittsy bitsy, simple little question:

Is she going to hell, or not?


June,

That is not a question anyone here can answer.

The only one who knows your eternal fate is God -- the Alpha and the Omega.

I say this respectfully, realising you do not believe in God. From an orthodox Christian perspective, however, it must be pointed out that human beings do not send people to heaven or to hell -- God does.

I hope this sheds some light on the question for you.
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Old 06-26-2010, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yes. We both know that scripture. The difference is that you think the fiery lake is a literal fire (not literal lake I guess, since that would be water), and I think the fiery lake is spiritual.
The word 'spiritual' appears in many places in the Bible, bit it does not appear in this passage, and therefore it is not a spiritual lake of fire.
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Old 06-26-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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This questions really seems to get to many in the UR camp.
It should get to any thinking person.That it doesn't seem to cause any thoughts of concern on the part of ET folks does not speak well of their ability to think for themselves.

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Paul answers you:

(Romans 1:20 NIV) For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

No one gets into Heaven without believing in Christ before they die. Men and women are not sentenced to hell based upon whether or not they have heard of Jesus Christ. Rather, they are justly and fittingly condemned based upon the fact that they are sinners. Indeed, they are sinners who have failed to act responsibly on what God has already revealed to them - whether through the light of creation (Rom 1), through the light of conscience (Rom 2), or through the light of Christ (Rom. 3). If people respond to whatever light they do have, then God will send them the light of the gospel. Because no one has been kept in the dark about God's existence, we're all accountable directly to Him (Luke 12:47-48).

While the Bible affirms that Christ is the only Savior (Acts 4:12), it also states that God is truly just (Job 34:12) and that He loves humanity with an everlasting love (John 3:16). Let us, therefore, labor all the more to bring God's message of reconciliation to a world in desperate need of salvation (Rom. 10:13-15), knowing that there is no other way to reach Him except through His Son - the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).

Finally, we should ask, if those who have never heard the gospel are indeed bound for heaven, why should we attempt to evangelize them? Wouldn't it be more prudent to just keep everyone in the dark? In fact, if you really draw this argument out to its logical conclusion, Jesus Christ would not have come to seek and save those who are lost, but to seek and lose those who are already saved! He would then not be the great Savior of the world, He would become its greatest destroyer.
All of your words are nothing but a worthless and unsupportable attempt to deflect the issue of why the Gospel isn't made more readily evident to ALL the world so that there would be no question about every person having an opportunity to decide based on true knowledge.Nice try,but folks who can think for themselves instead of being willing to swallow whatever nonsense their spiritual masters tell them won't buy it.Nonthinkers may though.
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Old 06-26-2010, 12:52 PM
 
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The word 'spiritual' appears in many places in the Bible, bit it does not appear in this passage, and therefore it is not a spiritual lake of fire.
You can stand by your interpretation that God will set people on fire forever if you'd like. That's your choice.
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