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Old 06-24-2010, 08:02 AM
 
Location: God's Country
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It is so clear. It really is, but there are people who don't want to believe it. I truly, truly don't understand how anyone who wants to know the truth can deliberately deny this. It baffles me.
They are being deceived by satan just like Eve was.
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Old 06-24-2010, 09:47 AM
 
Location: In God's Hand
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John 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 3:18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Romans 10:13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

UR is falsehood because everyone that have heard the Gospel would have believed then, but not everyone believes or will and God knows whom is seeking Him from those that do not.

Acts 16: 6Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not. 8And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. 9And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. 10And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.

Seems to me that UR spend more time trying to convince believers than preach UR to unbelievers.

The link in the OP has done only one thing: twist God's words to ignore the rest of His words plainly stated, leaning on human logic and reasoning.

Hell exists. The lake of fire exists. Hell will be cast into the lake of fire along with death as a surefire victory in Christ. The devil and his angels will be cast into the lake of fire, thus no more Temptor. Those that received the mark of the beast during the great tribulation will be cast into the lake of fire: does UR blink on that?

It is convenient to pull out verses, ignoring the context and twisting God's words to apply by human logic when one must overcome evil with good and so how can we do that if God has eternal torment? So in other words, by applying this method, UR at that link is admitting that the Bible does not support their theology and so to counter that.. UR must debunk the Bible, but yet by doing that, one has to wonder by those verses they do utilize if that be true at all.

We all like to see the people we love be saved. Nobody would like the idea that someone they loved went to hell and wondered if they could have said something or done something that they would believe and be saved. UR would be a nice safety blanket for that:

Thing is: there is no need for that safety blanket because God's promise is assured that all those that seek shall find: God as God knows whom is seeking Him that He would make sure they got the Gospel to hear and believe as the Father will draw those that seek unto the Son.

If UR wants to believe that God would overcome evil with good, then it would be more to His glory that they are drawn unto the Son in the land of the living to praise Him and worship Him in glorifying the name of Jesus throughout the world, but not everyone wants to have that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ: some would rather cling to religion of pride or cling to their sinful lifestyles rather than have Him reprove them of them.

Sometimes pride and sin can hold such a sinner in disbelief that they would rather go to hell than give them up, but God is able to save those that wants to be delivered from their "insecure pride" and hurtful sins as He knows whom is seeking Him from those that would do an 180 degrees hard about away from Him.

Evil exists and it is for this purpose that the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil in our lives.. now... not after we have died... so we can have that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ to be witnesses of the Good News to the lost that are seeking Him among the living.

For those that are ticked at the blindness of us that disagree, which teaching then would be more likely to cause one to be persecuted in the early church days? UR or ET ?

ET is the answer because no one wants to believe that their religious pride has to be let go of and neither does anyone wants to believe that the sins that they are doing are going to lead them to hell if they do not call on Jesus to save them from their bondage to sin and to death.

The Good News cannot be Good News if there is nothing bad for the Good News to be Good News from.
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Old 06-24-2010, 10:03 AM
 
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John 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 3:18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Romans 10:13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. 18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

UR is falsehood because everyone that have heard the Gospel would have believed then, but not everyone believes or will and God knows whom is seeking Him from those that do not.

Acts 16: 6Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not. 8And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. 9And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. 10And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.

Seems to me that UR spend more time trying to convince believers than preach UR to unbelievers.

The link in the OP has done only one thing: twist God's words to ignore the rest of His words plainly stated, leaning on human logic and reasoning.

Hell exists. The lake of fire exists. Hell will be cast into the lake of fire along with death as a surefire victory in Christ. The devil and his angels will be cast into the lake of fire, thus no more Temptor. Those that received the mark of the beast during the great tribulation will be cast into the lake of fire: does UR blink on that?

It is convenient to pull out verses, ignoring the context and twisting God's words to apply by human logic when one must overcome evil with good and so how can we do that if God has eternal torment? So in other words, by applying this method, UR at that link is admitting that the Bible does not support their theology and so to counter that.. UR must debunk the Bible, but yet by doing that, one has to wonder by those verses they do utilize if that be true at all.

We all like to see the people we love be saved. Nobody would like the idea that someone they loved went to hell and wondered if they could have said something or done something that they would believe and be saved. UR would be a nice safety blanket for that:

Thing is: there is no need for that safety blanket because God's promise is assured that all those that seek shall find: God as God knows whom is seeking Him that He would make sure they got the Gospel to hear and believe as the Father will draw those that seek unto the Son.

If UR wants to believe that God would overcome evil with good, then it would be more to His glory that they are drawn unto the Son in the land of the living to praise Him and worship Him in glorifying the name of Jesus throughout the world, but not everyone wants to have that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ: some would rather cling to religion of pride or cling to their sinful lifestyles rather than have Him reprove them of them.

Sometimes pride and sin can hold such a sinner in disbelief that they would rather go to hell than give them up, but God is able to save those that wants to be delivered from their "insecure pride" and hurtful sins as He knows whom is seeking Him from those that would do an 180 degrees hard about away from Him.

Evil exists and it is for this purpose that the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil in our lives.. now... not after we have died... so we can have that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ to be witnesses of the Good News to the lost that are seeking Him among the living.

For those that are ticked at the blindness of us that disagree, which teaching then would be more likely to cause one to be persecuted in the early church days? UR or ET ?

ET is the answer because no one wants to believe that their religious pride has to be let go of and neither does anyone wants to believe that the sins that they are doing are going to lead them to hell if they do not call on Jesus to save them from their bondage to sin and to death.

The Good News cannot be Good News if there is nothing bad for the Good News to be Good News from.
Amen....Enow!!
This is a wonderful post and full of God's loving truth !!!

Blessings
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Old 06-24-2010, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Amen....Enow!!
This is a wonderful post and full of God's loving truth !!!

Blessings
I agree! God bless you for preaching His truth.
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Old 06-24-2010, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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They are being deceived by satan just like Eve was.
You are absolutely correct.
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Old 06-24-2010, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Italy
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The "bad news" was that we were without hope!

Why don't people rejoice in the hope that ALL will be saved? Does that offend??

Blessings,
brian
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Old 06-24-2010, 02:05 PM
 
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But according to what UR believe it's no lie, everyone "gets in", and that IS a lie.
I was talking about this part: Live TODAY as you choose, to your own liking, do nothing different.

That is like saying, "Marry the love of your life, who has promised to never leave or forsake you, and then cheat on them all you want 'cause you know they aren't going anywhere!" No! That's not what UR is about. Once you know and love the true and living God you don't want to sin, so you strive to do God's will, not decide to "sin it up" since He won't burn you forever.
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Old 06-24-2010, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Why don't people rejoice in the hope that ALL will be saved? Does that offend??

Blessings,
brian
I think you know exactly why.
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Old 06-24-2010, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The "bad news" was that we were without hope!

Why don't people rejoice in the hope that ALL will be saved? Does that offend??

Blessings,
brian
Brian,

One cannot rejoice in a hope that they do not have. Not all have this hope.
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Old 06-24-2010, 02:23 PM
 
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"I am the way, the truth, and the life: NO MAN cometh unto the Father BUT BY ME."
-- Jesus Christ, John 14:6
Yes. BY ME. He doesn't need our help. It's a complete work of God through Christ.
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