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Old 06-27-2010, 07:25 PM
 
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gosh I guess before I found my way into this thread I have never read anything on israel before? never studied history or have any religious study at all. you think you are the only source of news and info?

edited to say...dreaming you never answered my question. does israel get a free pass for coveting and steal land and murder?
If you want to discuss the contents of any of the editorials to which I linked please do so--my post was certainly an invitation in that regard.

If you want to spout non-sequiters that have nothing to do with my post....well, I guess this is a free country. Your "response" does, however, tend to support my point that this singular obsession with Israel has nothing to do whatsoever with any "general sense of moral outrage" and everything to do with antisemitism.

It's good to know "what side of the house" various people here are on as regards antisemitism, for troubled times are certainly upon us.
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Old 06-27-2010, 07:32 PM
 
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If you want to discuss the contents of any of the editorials to which I linked please do so--my post was certainly an invitation in that regard.

If you want to spout non-sequiters that have nothing to do with my post....well, I guess this is a free country. Your "response" does, however, tend to support my point that this singular obsession with Israel has nothing to do whatsoever with any "general sense of moral outrage" and everything to do with antisemitism.

It's good to know "what side of the house" various people here are on as regards antisemitism, for troubled times are certainly upon us.
I would gladly talk about any of your links. which one in particular would you like me to start with?

perhaps I am in the wrong thread, isn't this the one where some posters think the oil spill is because the US admin "turned" it's back on israel and god is punishing the gulf because of it by the oil spill?

it isn't about antisemitism if you question some of the wrong israel has done in their part of the world it is the other side to the story. do you completely disregard the bad they have done?

do they get a pass
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Old 06-27-2010, 07:47 PM
 
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I would gladly talk about any of your links. which one in particular would you like me to start with?

perhaps I am in the wrong thread, isn't this the one where some posters think the oil spill is because the US admin "turned" it's back on israel and god is punishing the gulf because of it by the oil spill?

it isn't about antisemitism if you question some of the wrong israel has done in their part of the world it is the other side to the story. do you completely disregard the bad they have done?

do they get a pass
The editorials to which I linked address the subject of how "the US admin turned its back on israel." Had you taken the time to read ANY of them before you responded to the link on which I posted them you would have known that.

I will never understand why some people bother to post without bothering to read first. Is it just some weird sort of uncontrollable obsessive compulsive panic to hit the "Submit Reply" button (OMG--what if it disappears?)whenever the subject of "Israel" is mentioned?
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Old 06-27-2010, 07:50 PM
 
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If you want to discuss the contents of any of the editorials to which I linked please do so--my post was certainly an invitation in that regard.

If you want to spout non-sequiters that have nothing to do with my post....well, I guess this is a free country. Your "response" does, however, tend to support my point that this singular obsession with Israel has nothing to do whatsoever with any "general sense of moral outrage" and everything to do with antisemitism.

It's good to know "what side of the house" various people here are on as regards antisemitism, for troubled times are certainly upon us.
You must remember there is a difference between a zionist and a jew. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Most God fearing Jews cannot stand Zionists. They know these people do not believe in God, and they are hell bent on controlling the world, through their banking and giant corporations. They are in governments, and they have succeeded in taking over everything, thus making this world the devil's playground.

Sound conspiracy enough?

But, is it true?


YouTube - The Hidden History - The Khazar Empire
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Old 06-27-2010, 07:55 PM
 
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Actually, this one is really informative.


YouTube - KHAZARS, KABBALA & ILLUMINATI
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Old 06-27-2010, 08:13 PM
 
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Default A Most Incredible Speech!

Senator John McCain's brother on Israel & the Jews.

"There is a lot of worry popping up in the media just now - "Can Israel Survive?" Don't worry about it. It relates to something that Palestinians, the Arabs, and perhaps most American's don't realize - the Jews are never going quietly again. Never. And if the world doesn't come to understand that, then millions of Arabs are going to die. It's as simple as that.
Throughout the history of the world, the most abused, kicked-around race of people have been the Jews. Not just during the holocaust of WWII, but for thousands of years. They have truly been "The Chosen People" in a terrrible and tragic sense.
The Bible story of Egypt's enslavement of the Jews is not just a story, it is history, if festooned with theological legend and heroic epics. In 70 A.D. the Romans, which had for a long time tolerated the Jews - even admired them as 'superior' to other vassals - tired of their truculent demands for independence and decided on an early "Solution" to the Jewish problem.
Jerusalem was sacked and reduced to near rubble, Jewish resistance was pursued and crushed by the implacable Roman War Machine - see 'Masada'. And thus began The Diaspora, the dispersal of Jews throughout the rest of the world.
Their homeland destroyed, their culture crushed, they looked desperately for the few niches in a hostile world where they could be safe. That safety was fragile, and often subject to the whims of moody hosts. The words 'pogrom', 'ghetto', and 'anti-Semitism' come from this treatment of the first mono-theistic people.
Throughout Europe, changing times meant sometimes tolerance, sometimes even warmth for the Jews, but eventually it meant hostility, then malevolence. There is not a country in Europe of Western Asia that at one time or another has not decided to lash out against the children of Moses, sometimes by whim, sometimes by manipulation.
Winston Churchhill calls Edward I one of England's very greatest kings. It was under his rule in the late 1200's that Wales and Cornwall were hammered into the British crown, and Scotland and Ireland were invaded and occupied. He was also the first European monarch to set up a really effective administrative bureaucracy, surveyed and censused his kingdom, established laws and politcal divisions. But he also embraced the Jews.
Actually Edward didn't embrace Jews so much as he embraced their money. For the English Jews had aquired wealth - understandable, because this people that could not own land or office, could not join most of the trades and professions, soon found out that money was a very good thing to accumulate. Much harder to take away than land or a store, was a hidden sock of gold and silver coins.
Ever resourceful, Edward found a way - he borrowed money from the Jews to finance imperial ambitions in Europe, especially France. The loans were almost certainly not made gladly, but how do you refuse your king? Especially when he is "Edward The Hammer". Then, rather than pay back the debt, Edward simply expelled the Jews.
Edward was especially inventive - he did this twice. After a time, he invited the Jews back to their English homeland, borrowed more money, then expelled them again.
Most peoplee do not know that Spain was one of the early entrants into The Renaissance. People from all over the world came to Spain in the late medieval period. All were welcome - Arabs, Jews, other Europeans. The University of Salamanca was one of the great centers of learning in the world - scholares of all nations, all fields came to Salamanca to share their knowledge and their ideas. But in 1492, Ferdinand and Isabella, having driven the last of Moors from the Spanish Shield, were persuaded by the righteous fundamentalists of the time to announce "The Act of Purification". A series of steps were taken in which all Jews and Arabs and other non-Christians were expelled from the country, or would face the tools and the torches of The Inquisition. From this "cleansing" come the Sephardic Jews - as opposed to the Ashkenazis of Eastern Eurpoe. In Eastern Europe, the sporadic violence and brutality against Jews are common knowledge. "Fiddler" without the music and the folksy humor.
At times of fury, no accomodations, no village poor enough or distant enough.
From these come the near-steady flow of Jews to the United States. And despite the disdain of the Jews by most "American" Americans, they came to grab the American Dream with both hands, and contributed everything from new ideas of enterprise in retail and entertainment, becoming some of our finest physicians and lawyers.
The modern United States, in spite of itself, IS The United States in part because of its Jewish blood.
Then the Nazi Holocaust - the corralling, sorting, orderly eradication of millions of the people of Moses. Not something that other realms in other times didn't try to do, by the way, the Germans were just more organized and had better murder technology.
I stood in the center of Dachau for an entire day. anout 15 years ago, trying to comprehend how this could have happened. I had gone there on a side trip from Munich, vaguely curious about this Dachau.
I soon became engulfed in the enormity of what had occurred there nestled in this middle and working class neighborhood.
How could human beings do this other human beings, hear their cries, their pleas, their terror, their pain, and continue without apparently even wincing? I no longer wonder. At some times, some places, ANY sect of the human race is capable of horrors against their fellow man, whether a member of the Waffen SS, a Siberian sniper, a Turkish policeman in 1920's Armenia, a Mississippi Klansman. Because even in the United States not all was a Rose Garden. For a long time Jews had quotas in our universties and graduate schools. Only so many Jews could be in a medical or law school at one time. Jews were disparaged widely. I remember as a kid Jewish jokes told without a wince - "Why do Jews have such big noses?"

Well...now the Jews have a homeland again. A place that is theirs...and that's the point. It doesn't matter how many times the United States and European powers try to rein in Israel, if it comes down to survival of its nation, its people, they will fight like no lioness has ever fought to save her cubs. They will fight with a ferocity, a determination, and a skill, that will astound us.
And many will die, mostly their attackers, I believe. If there were a macabre historical betting parlor, my money would be on the Israelis to be standing at the end. As we killed the kamikazes and the Wehrmacht soldaten of WWII, so will the Israelis kill their suicidal attackers, until there are not enough to torment them.
The irony goes unnoticed - while we are hammering away to punish those who brought the horrors of September 11th here, we restrain the Israelis from the same retaliation. Not the same thing, of course - We are We, They are They. While we mourn and seethe at September 11th, we don't notice that Israel has a September 11th...sometimes every day.
We may not notice, but it doesn't make any difference. And it doesn't make any difference whether you are pro-Israel or you think Israel is the bully of the Middle East. If it comes to where a new holocaust looms - with or without the concurrence of the United States and Europe - Israel will lash out without pause or restraint upon those who would try to annihilate their country.

The Jews will not go quietly again."

Joe McCain.

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Old 06-27-2010, 08:19 PM
 
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The editorials to which I linked address the subject of how "the US admin turned its back on israel." Had you taken the time to read ANY of them before you responded to the link on which I posted them you would have known that.

I will never understand why some people bother to post without bothering to read first. Is it just some weird sort of uncontrollable obsessive compulsive panic to hit the "Submit Reply" button (OMG--what if it disappears?)whenever the subject of "Israel" is mentioned?

as another poster pointed out, some of us pay attention everyday and know why some people would think the US turned their back on israel.

this thread was about god punishing an area of the world and all it's innocent people because of it. not if I understand the justification god used to make the disaster justifiable.

as to not understanding why people post without bothering to read. I often wonder why people post without answering question a previous posted asked them. in this case twice now. perhaps a compulsive panic when ever hard questions are asked?
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:06 PM
 
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The oil spill has nothing to do with God punishing the U.S. He does not cause ecological disasters as punishment for man's sins. If you don't believe me, read it for yourself in Genesis 8:21, which states he would never again curse the ground because of man.
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:11 PM
 
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The oil spill has nothing to do with God punishing the U.S. He does not cause ecological disasters as punishment for man's sins. If you don't believe me, read it for yourself in Genesis 8:21, which states he would never again curse the ground because of man.
Indeed.God says He will bless those who bless Israel,and cruse THOSE who curse Israel.That means individually,not as a whole nation.(common sense,please )
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:15 PM
 
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(common sense,please )
Psssst..... did your forget which forum you were in
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