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Old 06-30-2010, 03:58 AM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Okay then Betsy - we can say "it" is fair but what is "it"? You quote a verse and imply it means something which it doesn't (ie: eternal damnation for the majority of all humans ever created).

"Lord, are there few that be 'saved'?" The literal rendering is: "Are those being saved few?" The question relates entirely to the number then accepting Jesus' words (if you continue to read) "Lord" (they say) "we have eaten and drunk in your presence, and you have taught in our streets."

Very few survived the Gahenna judgment. It was more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah than for THAT generation upon whom (Jesus said) "all these things shall come". Why? God personally came to them in Jesus and they rejected him and were destroyed.

27 But He will say, "I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.' 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29 They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God.

So - they were IN the kingdom and were thrust out. That's because he is referring to the Israelite's covenantal standing. The natural branches were being cut off and the gentiles being grafted in.

It's explained even more fully here: "I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Who are the "sons of the Kingdom" who are cast out?

Rom. 11:15 "For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?"

This is the problem with the eternal hell doctrine which you are pushing here by spinning these fragments. There is no consideration given to whom the passages are spoken to or why.

I'm sure it's not your fault as preachers have been spinning these for hundreds of years and brainwashing the Christian populace.
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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WHAT IS FAIR............

Definition of fair:

1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision a fair judge.
2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules: a fair fight.


Now ask yourselves.......IS GOD FAIR? What is fair to me? Choose one.....


1. What is fair is what favors me.

2. What is fair is what is Just.

3. None of the above



Assignments due today!
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Old 06-30-2010, 02:35 PM
 
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2. What is fair is what is Just.
Well I would say this is the answer. Now explain to me how is it Just to burn people who never heard of Jesus? Some people are born surrounded by Bibles. Some never see one. That's certainly biased and therefore unfair by your own definition.

It seems to be that most Christian's real definition of fair would be: Fair is whatever I think God says is fair
 
Old 06-30-2010, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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WHAT IS FAIR............

Definition of fair:

1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision a fair judge.
2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules: a fair fight.


Now ask yourselves.......IS GOD FAIR? What is fair to me? Choose one.....


1. What is fair is what favors me.

2. What is fair is what is Just.

3. None of the above



Assignments due today!
A bias for or against a set kind is UNFAIR... God favoring only those who believe is a bias and UNFAIR according to your own post.
 
Old 06-30-2010, 03:18 PM
 
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It's not A UR/ET thread that's why! Clear enough?

You mean you wanted an ET only thread in which no opposing viewpoints would be given.Is that about it?Let you have your say,but don't let others respond?
 
Old 06-30-2010, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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I'd say, you both have something in common. Believing God! He's fair..."but".... You guys got to get with the Master and figure out what it is you're so disbelieving about, you know what I mean? I can't fix that for you!

Your answer, yes YOUR answers.....clearly shows that you have issues believing God, forget me, Betsey. I'm just the vehicle being used here! Don't kill the messenger (as if you could, anyway). Work through it with Him! Tell Him you have doubt's. There's nothing I can do for you except point you in the right direction, you understand?

Thank you for submitting your assignments. Katonjj, I'll give you a half a point for an incomplete paper! Where as you picked #1 in the definition, that was NOT the instructions. The instructions were to: Ask yourselves.......IS GOD FAIR? What is fair to me? And choose of the below:

1. What is fair is what favors me.

2. What is fair is what is Just.

3. None of the above
 
Old 06-30-2010, 03:20 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Betsey Lane View Post
WHAT IS FAIR............

Definition of fair:

1. free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision a fair judge.
2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules: a fair fight.


Now ask yourselves.......IS GOD FAIR? What is fair to me? Choose one.....


1. What is fair is what favors me.

2. What is fair is what is Just.

3. None of the above



Assignments due today!

Please explain how it is fair to condemn all people to hell unless they hear about Christ and accept Him,and then allow billions of people throughout history to be born where they cannot even hear about Christ.

Essay due by tomorrow!
 
Old 06-30-2010, 03:21 PM
 
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If bias is unjust, then your God is unjust. Only way out is to admit that bias is okay for some reason. At least that's how I see it.

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forget me, Betsey. I'm just the vehicle being used here!
How do you know that you are a vehicle for Gods word, when you contradict even your own definitions? Forgive me but don't you think God would be a little wiser than that?
 
Old 06-30-2010, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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You mean you wanted an ET only thread in which no opposing viewpoints would be given.Is that about it? Let you have your say,but don't let others respond?
Have a seat and take the test!! Read the instructions in the above. You're in the wrong class if you think your taking an ET/UR test! That was yesterday. Today, the topic is FAIR ENOUGH? That's it, that's all!

It's an open book, I'll give you time to go get your Bible! And no, it doesn't have to be a KJV.....


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Old 06-30-2010, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Out of Florida........
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If bias is unjust, then your God is unjust. Only way out is to admit that bias is okay for some reason. At least that's how I see it.



How do you know that you are a vehicle for Gods word, when you contradict even your own definitions? Forgive me but don't you think God would be a little wiser than that?
I'll give you a chance to do a re-take if you like? Is that fair?
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