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Old 07-02-2010, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Yes, i am serious...been there done that...have grown...
Jesus quoted scripture all.the.time.
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Old 07-02-2010, 04:42 PM
 
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So it is ok as long as what you are quoting is cohesive with what you are trying to state? Which is what a lot of people on this board are trying to do. If what they are quoting is NOT cohesive with what they are trying to state, the problem is NOT that the verses are numbered!
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Old 07-02-2010, 04:46 PM
 
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But, what they were quoting was cohesive with what they were trying to state...
You just told me that it's childish.
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Old 07-02-2010, 04:47 PM
 
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you just told me that it's childish.
lol!
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Old 07-02-2010, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Ok...don't try to slicker people...

What does that mean? URs don't believe in free will.
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Old 07-02-2010, 05:06 PM
 
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So it is ok as long as what you are quoting is cohesive with what you are trying to state? Which is what a lot of people on this board are trying to do. If what they are quoting is NOT cohesive with what they are trying to state, the problem is NOT that the verses are numbered!
They quote the new testament...the apostles and jesus were quoying the old testement to show that what was prophisied has come about...
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Old 07-02-2010, 05:08 PM
 
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Jesus quoted scripture all.the.time.
Did He qoute out of the NT?
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Old 07-02-2010, 05:10 PM
 
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You just told me that it's childish.
They were quoting the OT...to prove what was going on was valid...
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Old 07-02-2010, 07:40 PM
 
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They quote the new testament...the apostles and jesus were quoying the old testement to show that what was prophisied has come about...
So it is only ok to quote the Old Testament and then only as long as what you are quoting is cohesive with what you are trying to state and as long as it is in connection with prophesy?

I'm kind of surprised you can't quote the New Testament also, provided it is cohesive with what you are trying to state AND provided that what you are trying to state has something to do with reproof, since everybody seems to love that.
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Old 07-02-2010, 10:14 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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But each verse is like a pearl all its own. Each individual verse is worthy of study on its own. Each word even. Each verse follows or precedes another pearl and together they form the necklace, but individually they are still beautiful and relevant.

You find Biblical authors quoting verses all over the Bible, especially in the New Testiment, not whole chapters, but verses. There is often a verse which encapsulates the meaning of a larger passage. Or a verse serves as a reminder for those who are familiar with the larger passage it comes from.

Why this resistance to verses?
I like your pearl analogy but the first thing to remember is verses are a man-made creation, they aren’t part of the original manuscripts.

“The first person to divide New Testament chapters into verses was Italian Dominican biblical scholar Santi Pagnini (1470–1541), but his system was never widely adopted.created an alternate numbering in his 1551 edition of the Greek New Testament. The first English New Testament to use the verse divisions was a 1557 translation by William Whittingham (c. 1524-1579). The first Bible in English to use both chapters and verses was the Geneva Bible published shortly afterwards in 1560.”

I am not against a numbering system per se but it is how people take one verse from one book, two from another, one from another, all to try and make them say some doctrine they believe. In many cases how they are numbered can cause problems in the understanding of the books meaning due to translation problems.

As far as verses being quoted all over the bible, you are correct. The difference is the writers were writing holy words and being guided by God or Jesus was the one doing the quoting. I trust his discernment. You don’t find random passages listed out of contest to make a point. You find a passage or two quoted with an explanation or addition to the theme.

Back to your pearl analogy. Random verses are not strung together, they are random. Pearls strung on a string make a necklace, just as verses put in order make a chapter and book.

The gospel story is an amazing one and a complex one, so trying to take 8-10 words and build a theology out of it can be a dangerous thing.

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So it is ok as long as what you are quoting is cohesive with what you are trying to state? Which is what a lot of people on this board are trying to do. If what they are quoting is NOT cohesive with what they are trying to state, the problem is NOT that the verses are numbered!
Numbering makes it easy to take it out of context, it becomes it's own theme just because some guy broke a book into parts.
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