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Old 07-06-2010, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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NO Death. We all die. No witnesses to hades.. that is a name for an unseen place...

Death is what all living beings have to look forward to.
No they don't. I live, and will forever live, because I am clothed with His blood. I am without blemish, and I am eternally alive with Christ.

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So what about the wicked?
Second death.

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When are they judged and sentenced to the lake of fire?
Rev 21 is the NH and E. That is POST PAROUSIA and perpetual.

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What you are saying goes against full preterism.
No. Revelation 20 is GWTJ - Covenantal world and wicked dead.
Revelation 21 is NH and E. The Age to come.

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Old 07-06-2010, 01:59 PM
 
Location: New England
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It only refutes you more, as a collective body of the Holy Spirit denounces your claim. Together.....Preterist to Futurist...your dead wrong, and you are sending people to die eternally because of your claims and views. Non-Christians feel, that if they will be saved anyway, they can live however they want.

How can Universalist or anyone as a matter of fact be sending anyone to eternal torment when Jesus said

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away ?. John 6 verse 37
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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How can Universalist or anyone as a matter of fact be sending anyone to eternal torment when Jesus said

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away ?. John 6 verse 37
Whoever comes to Him, through confession and faith and righteous living.
Rom 10:9 and Heb 10:14
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:07 PM
 
Location: New England
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Whoever comes to Him, through confession and faith and righteous living.
Rom 10:9 and Heb 10:14
You are totally missing the point Jesus said All that the Father gives me will come

You have just they will not , but will end in eternal hell because of ther heresy of UR.

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. John 6 verse 37.

You need to make your mind up whether you believe in lottery or pot luck salvation , we are chosen or He is the Savior of All .

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Old 07-06-2010, 02:11 PM
 
Location: New England
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The other thing is can you please stop misrepresenting what those of us who believe in UR believe.

We do believe in confession and we also believe by faith in His grace

8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
One in Christ Ephesians 2 verses 8-10
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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You are totally missing the point Jesus said All that the Father gives me will come

You have just they will not , but will end in eternal hell because of ther heresy of UR.

All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

It means that God will give all to Jesus Christ that comes to Him.
God is choosing. Again..you use one scripture that refutes you, when you try to make it support you. A sad practice amongst the UR crowd.
Cherry picking.

No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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The other thing is can you please stop misrepresenting what those of us who believe in UR believe.

We do believe in confession and we also believe by faith in His grace

8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
One in Christ Ephesians 2 verses 8-10
I focus on one doctrine that is false in UR, and that is post mortem salvation. The wicked will never be raised to life after they die.
The other doctrines, are the truth cloaking devices for the LIE.
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:20 PM
 
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The other thing is can you please stop misrepresenting what those of us who believe in UR believe.
He is in a group fighting against us, I don't think if you say that you have to have any honesty. I'm sure his God told him it was OK.
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:20 PM
 
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They are destroyed both body and soul. There is no "judged" by fre and then released into righteousness. Nowhere does this exist. Death is death, and the second death is eternal. Death is not life, and Revelation20 and 21 both note SECOND DEATH. There is no allusion to life after that. They are dead. Did I say dead?
Yes you did say dead, but your word is not the final word, is it? You believe death has the victory, but scripture does not agree with you.

1 Cor. 15:


54and when this corruptible may have put on incorruption, and this mortal may have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the word that hath been written, `The Death was swallowed up -- to victory;
55where, O Death, thy sting? where, O Hades, thy victory?'
56and the sting of the death [is] the sin, and the power of the sin the law;
57and to God -- thanks, to Him who is giving us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ; 58so that, my brethren beloved, become ye stedfast, unmovable, abounding in the work of the Lord at all times, knowing that your labour is not vain in the Lord.
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Old 07-06-2010, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The wicked will never be raised to life after they die.
And let us thank God for that! Truly!

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