No Payment for Sins in a Fairy Tale Lake of Fire (crucified, after life)

[Bright Hope for Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

All of a sudden all URs agree that Bible does NOT say ""People are corrected after death". Good. Maybe the time spent here has not been in vain after all.

I was obviously talking about a direct quote. I can admit there is not a quote that directly says, '"People are corrected after death." You should be able to admit that there is not a direct quote that says, "People are never forgiven after death."

Without a direct quote, we can both supply many verses that support what we believe, as is clear by all the round-and-round-we-go-again debates. Like I said, this is where faith comes in. You must choose what interpretation to believe based on who you believe God is, and what you believe the Holy Spirit is leading you to believe, and be at peace in knowing Him and trusting Him, who is Love and is Hope.

[Heartsong]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

Matthew 24:51
He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

God chose to phrase it this way in Luke:

Luke 12:46
..... He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers. Not only are unbelievers assigned a place "where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth" but those who call themselves "servants".


Such a "servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does not do what his master wants" gets the same treatment as "the unbelievers\hypocrites"

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FYI: Jesus doesn't say they might be or God won't because "He is love" as the hippie Christian wants to believe, but rather Jesus says they "will be beaten with many blows" in a place assigned.


And God get's his will....right?

• they "will be beaten" (not forgiven, not UR'ed as the hippie Christians )
• "with many blows" (how long does "many blows" take? ... hint: for ever, forever
  • Matthew 25:46
    "Then they will go away to eternal punishment....
• in a place assigned (ain't going to be heaven )

Hmmmmm, do you suppose God will literally cut people in pieces? What sort of instrument would he use - a knife, scissors, a machete, all of these? Or might this cutting to pieces actually be a hyperbolic way of saying that men will be completely humbled, no longer able to hide the deepest inner thoughts of their darkened hearts - like being naked, only in a spiritual sense? If God is an invisible Spirit, will he be cutting people's spirits to pieces or physical bodies???

Heartsong

[Bright Hope for Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

Here word for word : I don't need a verse by verse outline explaining to me what will happen after death. It does not say "People are corrected after death"

And she is right, the Bible does not say it. Her point is to say that it does not say it, but she has concluded that it is what it means anyway. Will you now quit accusing me of 'twisting' words?

Look at what you just did yourself: you just took verses completely out of context and mixed and matched them with other out of context verses to build your case. Yes, using that method you can have the Bible say whatever you want.

Originally Posted by legoman

Maybe you should actually QUOTE THE WHOLE SENTENCE!

It does not say "People are corrected after death," no more than it says, "People are never forgiven after death."

You plainly misrepresent people Finn, and then accuse others of doing it to you.

What she was talking about was the bible does not say it in those specific words "People are corrected after death", but it does say it in many other ways, especially when we see the purpose of God's judgments, what His character is, and how He deals with people.

Thank you, legoman! I could just as easily quote Finn like this:

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

And she is right

And then post, "Thanks, Finn!!"

Finn, please don't play these games because it distracts from having a logical, meaningful conversation.

[Bright Hope for Tomorrow]

Originally Posted by Heartsong

Hmmmmm, do you suppose God will literally cut people in pieces? What sort of instrument would he use - a knife, scissors, a machete, all of these? Or might this cutting to pieces actually be a hyperbolic way of saying that men will be completely humbled, no longer able to hide the deepest inner thoughts of their darkened hearts - like being naked, only in a spiritual sense? If God is an invisible Spirit, will he be cutting people's spirits to pieces or physical bodies???

Heartsong

Good point, Heartsong.

[twin.spin]

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

No, you thinking one verse says the whole story is foolish.

Actually I used 3, most people can't \ don't bother with a whole dissertation....which I could have. But experience tells me that if people object to few, many makes no difference.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Bright Hope for Tomorrow

I was obviously talking about a direct quote. I can admit there is not a quote that directly says, '"People are corrected after death." You should be able to admit that there is not a direct quote that says, "People are never forgiven after death."

There are many things in the Bible you can't find a direct quote the way you choose to spell it out, but it just happens that you have to do a lot of cherry picking and out of context quoting to support '"People are corrected after death", while "People are never forgiven after death" is rather clear in the Bible.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by Bright Hope for Tomorrow

Finn, please don't play these games because it distracts from having a logical, meaningful conversation.

Is this, or is this not, your point (my words) : Her point is to say that it does not say it, but she has concluded that it is what it means anyway.

Of course it is, so your own comment to criticize me is nothing but a distraction to the conversation. You see that, don't you?

I understand you want to support the people who agree with everything you say, but would you mind doing it without telling others what they can and cannot say? Maybe one day you will be a moderator, and then you can play that game, but until then, just leave it to the mods. Thank you.

Thank you, legoman! I could just as easily quote Finn like this:

Yes, you can quote me any way you want. I am not your mother, so i am not going to try to tell you can and can't do.

[katjonjj]

Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber

There are many things in the Bible you can't find a direct quote the way you choose to spell it out, but it just happens that you have to do a lot of cherry picking and out of context quoting to support "People are corrected after death", while "People are never forgiven after death" is rather clear in the Bible.

People are never forgiven after death is rather clear?

I found this interesting: Isaiah 22:14 The LORD Almighty has revealed this in my hearing: "Till your dying day this sin will not be atoned for," says the Lord, the LORD Almighty.

"Till your dying day".... seems to me that after his death the sin CAN be atoned for but not until then.

It's just like the rest of the bible... it's about living not after death. Finn... can you post where you see it clear that people are never forgiven after death? You claim it... so prove it... shall I start a new thread?

[Phazelwood]

Originally Posted by twin.spin

Actually I used 3, most people can't \ don't bother with a whole dissertation....which I could have. But experience tells me that if people object to few, many makes no difference.

The quote to me used one verse, and then you ended by saying "Then Jesus is foolish"

So my point based on that has not changed.

But it is true that long lengthy replies are pointless from either perspective because some actually think they hold the ultimate truth,. rather than the possibility that their intepretation (or one they agree with) might be the truth.

Hence when you post one verse and imply that I am saying Jesus is foolish, it is YOU being foolish in the first place.

[Finn_Jarber]

Originally Posted by katjonjj

People are never forgiven after death is rather clear?

I found this interesting: Isaiah 22:14 The LORD Almighty has revealed this in my hearing: "Till your dying day this sin will not be atoned for," says the Lord, the LORD Almighty.

This is a prophecy about the attack on Jerusalem and ruin of Jews. Sorry, but no cigar. That is exactly the kind of quote I see people use, and they are way out of context.