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Old 04-07-2013, 02:30 PM
 
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Acts 20:7 is basically saying Paul spoke from sundown Saturday night ( the 1rst day of the week) until midnight. So that would be probably 6pm - 12 am our time.
The whole they met the 1rst day of the week to break bread is taken out of context as a reasoning of why we do what we do on Sunday now.
'Sun'day worship [ Not 'Son'day worship ] was set up by Constantine as a day of rest for all except farmers.
That is why Sun-day is now used.
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Old 04-07-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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That it is going to be very interesting to see how that selection can be stood on its ear by the Judaizers.
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Old 04-07-2013, 04:34 PM
 
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'Sun'day worship [ Not 'Son'day worship ] was set up by Constantine as a day of rest for all except farmers.
That is why Sun-day is now used.
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Galatians 4:8-11

8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.


Dont forget verse 8 that is pretty much telling what they did in their past. It isnt referring to the law of God as bondage. It would make no sense for Paul to say the law is good and holy and turn around and call it bondage by them keeping the Sabbath back then. There is not even a debate about Sababth vs Sunday keeping in this chapter, because they all kept the sabbath after the cross until around 300AD's when the roman empire changed it.

The Galatian culture was saturated with a bunch of religious rituals and observances when they worshiped there pagan Gods, so he his asking them why do you want to return to the bondage you were in when they worshiped their pagan Gods.
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Old 04-07-2013, 06:56 PM
 
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Seriously? What "days" do you think they were observing, pagan holidays? At the time there was only one influence that was being disputed in the church, that of the Judaizers, the influence that was the subject of the first council of the church and rejected as told about in Acts.

It should be evident to anyone without an agenda that Paul is addressing the same problem here as in the Colossians quote noted earlier with the different emphasis of encouraging the Colossians to resist the Judaizers and scolding the Galations for giving in to them.

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Old 04-07-2013, 07:09 PM
 
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To be honest I do not believe the early church as a whole including the apostles found rest in God.
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Old 04-07-2013, 08:14 PM
 
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To be honest I do not believe the early church as a whole including the apostles found rest in God.
interesting, why not?
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Old 04-07-2013, 08:24 PM
 
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Sure the apostles continued many things later changed by the church . They continued Sabbath Shabbat and also
Jesus name baptism. So much for them. Bye apostles we don't need your stuff we are Constantines church now!
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Old 04-08-2013, 03:17 AM
 
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Acts 20:7 "On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight."

Do you think that Paul spoke from say 10 in the morning Sunday until Midnight? We know that the First day of the week started at sunset of the Sabbath for Jews and there are other quotes about the disciples meeting together on the first day of the week to break bread, a natural thing to do after what amounts to a day of fasting.

What's the problem?
Where were you going with that?...
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Old 04-08-2013, 03:19 AM
 
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Acts 20:7 "On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight."

Do you think that Paul spoke from say 10 in the morning Sunday until Midnight? We know that the First day of the week started at sunset of the Sabbath for Jews and there are other quotes about the disciples meeting together on the first day of the week to break bread, a natural thing to do after what amounts to a day of fasting.

What's the problem?
I do not think they were gathering to worship, just to break their fast...
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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Where were you going with that?...
Only that the first Christians seem to have continued normal activities, including sacrifices in the Temple until the Jews kicked them out of their synagogues, complaining to the Roman authorities that they were troublemakers. But when they met together as a group with a different perception it was not on the normal Jewish holy day. This appears to have been institutionalized when they could no longer participate with the Jews, and when hey realized that their faith really did have a different basis.

No, the intent was to meet together, primarily for a meal, commonly called a "love feast," but they quite naturally seem to have shared testimonies, sung songs together and received teaching in their faith.
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