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Old 08-19-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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A rich young ruler came to Jesus and asked which commandments he should keep to inherit eternal life. (Luke 18: 18-22

Jesus named only six, none of which were “keep the Sabbath holy.” If it were important why would He not name it to the rich young ruler? In fact He added a commandment to the young ruler not found anywhere else in Scripture—-“Go sell all you have, give it to the poor and follow me.”

Just saying, if someone came to God in the flesh and asked Him what to do to inherit eternal life, you would think Jesus would have included ALL the criteria. The fact that He didn’t is a clue to how important Jesus saw it as.
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:19 PM
 
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A rich young ruler came to Jesus and asked which commandments he should keep to inherit eternal life. (Luke 18: 18-22

Jesus named only six, none of which were “keep the Sabbath holy.” If it were important why would He not name it to the rich young ruler? In fact He added a commandment to the young ruler not found anywhere else in Scripture—-“Go sell all you have, give it to the poor and follow me.”

Just saying, if someone came to God in the flesh and asked Him what to do to inherit eternal life, you would think Jesus would have included ALL the criteria. The fact that He didn’t is a clue to how important Jesus saw it as.
The irony here is that G-d said that the Sabbath was eternal for the Jews...
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:16 PM
 
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Just saying, if someone came to God in the flesh and asked Him what to do to inherit eternal life, you would think Jesus would have included ALL the criteria. The fact that He didn’t is a clue to how important Jesus saw it as.

wow .. But maybe it has to do with the ages we are in or are entering..

They were then entering into 2000 years of appearances of really sloppy grace.. one without love , only licenses with donation for most of it.. .. even the Jews have not done the Father will , because there is no temple.. so we all have done only " what is right in our own eyes" and doing that is not part of his promises , theirs or ours .. to gain HIM Jesus/salvation /Our Yeshua!!

I know the Law is coming back .. which is probably bad news for both Christians and Jews.

Ezekiel's temple will be Built by Jesus, the other David's Son..about 30 to 40 years after he re-establishes Israel! and that is at least 20 years away plus 30 or 35... there is lots of time to learn. for those willing..
We all know our own laws and our own applications of our opinions of our laws....... but The Fathers truths ...
his most true laws and His true applications will be taught and observed period.. Taught BY the Lord in the tabernacles of the righteous( PS 118)...
so only those who humble themselves and are proven willing to learn from Him , will enter.
The Father's will and thus His law ...is coming and that is probably really bad news for everyone who does not want to change. who does not want to learn from HIM .
but I do not believe that we needed to observe days or whatever up till now.
his spirit may have asked some to and others not too ... for his purposes.. because up to now like Abraham Obedience by fiath ..was more important than the extra laws / law alone. he only asked of us 2 laws and obedience.

but
we are about to enter into a new time. and slopy isn't going to get us there.

the two sticks will be joined into one. probably no sloppy stuff... mercy but as along as we humble and yielded and headed towards his truth,.. but only in his hands can it be done. so we must let Jesus do that work,,, that grinding work.. !. only he is trustworthy and loving. Do NOT follow anyone else to their own law!
or we will be copying what has failed!

the "Jews " there now, will have their Saul first though, so do not copy that! .

But those who will be " saved"(Yeshua) will all be like the sand of the sea. or ground even finer like the incense in the holy place..
and it is time for one (if not the only) wheat harvests..
Time to be proved to be in "the Milk stage",
and not a tares, tares, when crushed, can not give milk....
so that "proving" and testing comes first to his church ... then to the Jews..!

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The irony here is that G-d said that the Sabbath was eternal for the Jews...
Maybe Jesus wasn't such a good Jew? At least a number of His contemporaries didn't think so seeing as how He ended up on a cross!
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But He arose again on the third day and lives ever more,
His Spirit live in the hearts and lives of His believers, and the Holy Spirit He provides teaches us God's will every day.
This is a relationship with God that is filled with the extraordinary throughout our lives , I love Him.
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The irony here is that G-d said that the Sabbath was eternal for the Jews...
No irony at all considering that the Sabbaths and Sabbath were signs of the eternal rest in Christ. Rest in Him is eternal and to be kept forever, not the signs. EX 31:13 Speak you also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily My Sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you."
EX 31:16-17 "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed." Sabbath was a sign for a perpetual covenant which speaks of the New Covenant because the Old had shadows and therefor not perpetual like the New is. HEB 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the Law." HEB 10:1 For the Law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." Moreover, the other shadows in the Law have been fulfilled and therefore not needed to be kept but they still do witness as signs forever to the New.



Does one think that the death penalty given for breaking Sabbath fair if it was just about working on a Sabbath? If only for that reason, then no in my opinion, but because the death penalty speaks to the fact that one is dead to God if without redemption/rest in Christ, it was fair. Paul confirmed that Sabbath/s were but signs/shadows of the substance. COL 2:16-17 "Let no man, therefore, judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." God did not explain fully what Sabbath/s meant in the O.T. but neither did He explain what circumcision meant but now we know. Once you follow a sign to its destination, you don't need the sign anymore because you have arrived.
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No irony at all considering that the Sabbaths and Sabbath were signs of the eternal rest in Christ. Rest in Him is eternal and to be kept forever, not the signs. EX 31:13 Speak you also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily My Sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you."
EX 31:16-17 "Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed." Sabbath was a sign for a perpetual covenant which speaks of the New Covenant because the Old had shadows and therefor not perpetual like the New is. HEB 7:12 "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the Law." HEB 10:1 For the Law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." Moreover, the other shadows in the Law have been fulfilled and therefore not needed to be kept but they still do witness as signs forever to the New.



Does one think that the death penalty given for breaking Sabbath fair if it was just about working on a Sabbath? If only for that reason, then no in my opinion, but because the death penalty speaks to the fact that one is dead to God if without redemption/rest in Christ, it was fair. Paul confirmed that Sabbath/s were but signs/shadows of the substance. COL 2:16-17 "Let no man, therefore, judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." God did not explain fully what Sabbath/s meant in the O.T. but neither did He explain what circumcision meant but now we know. Once you follow a sign to its destination, you don't need the sign anymore because you have arrived.
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wow .. But maybe it has to do with the ages we are in or are entering..

They were then entering into 2000 years of appearances of really sloppy grace.. one without love , only licenses with donation for most of it.. .. even the Jews have not done the Father will , because there is no temple.. so we all have done only " what is right in our own eyes" and doing that is not part of his promises , theirs or ours .. to gain HIM Jesus/salvation /Our Yeshua!!

I know the Law is coming back .. which is probably bad news for both Christians and Jews.

Ezekiel's temple will be Built by Jesus, the other David's Son..about 30 to 40 years after he re-establishes Israel! and that is at least 20 years away plus 30 or 35... there is lots of time to learn. for those willing..
We all know our own laws and our own applications of our opinions of our laws....... but The Fathers truths ...
his most true laws and His true applications will be taught and observed period.. Taught BY the Lord in the tabernacles of the righteous( PS 118)...
so only those who humble themselves and are proven willing to learn from Him , will enter.
The Father's will and thus His law ...is coming and that is probably really bad news for everyone who does not want to change. who does not want to learn from HIM .
but I do not believe that we needed to observe days or whatever up till now.
his spirit may have asked some to and others not too ... for his purposes.. because up to now like Abraham Obedience by fiath ..was more important than the extra laws / law alone. he only asked of us 2 laws and obedience.

but
we are about to enter into a new time. and slopy isn't going to get us there.

the two sticks will be joined into one. probably no sloppy stuff... mercy but as along as we humble and yielded and headed towards his truth,.. but only in his hands can it be done. so we must let Jesus do that work,,, that grinding work.. !. only he is trustworthy and loving. Do NOT follow anyone else to their own law!
or we will be copying what has failed!

the "Jews " there now, will have their Saul first though, so do not copy that! .

But those who will be " saved"(Yeshua) will all be like the sand of the sea. or ground even finer like the incense in the holy place..
and it is time for one (if not the only) wheat harvests..
Time to be proved to be in "the Milk stage",
and not a tares, tares, when crushed, can not give milk....
so that "proving" and testing comes first to his church ... then to the Jews..!
Ezekiel's temple is not a temple made by hands. Our claim is that that temple is built by Messiah, the water has alrready come out of the south side of the temple, and it is an ever expanding temple. The water formed a river to which fishers of men were appointed to take people from that water. Our claim is that Jesus was that river, and for us to believe in him brings that river to us, to flow out us. It is an ever expanding temple, you can ask the whole world to give you the blueprints of Ezekiel's temple, and nobody can answer, there are no measurements, and without EXACT measurements, nobody can build.

In that temple, there are two Holy days, Nisan 14, and Tishri 15th as Ezekiel moved all holy days to all take place on one day in the spring, and one day in the fall, that all sacrifices and all feasts happen on Nisan 14, and then on Tishri 15th.

Do we claim that Jesus was all the sacrifices on one single day?

YES.

But we are in fact, claiming the prophesy of Ezekiel's temple and his changing of the temple and the law.

ON Tishri 15th, all the sacrifices and holy days will happen on a single day as it happened on Nisan 14th prophesied by Ezekiel.
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