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Old 07-13-2010, 03:16 AM
 
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Thank you Mr5150......Thank you for your forgiveness...I feel a release...this peace that you've blessed me with...from the anguish I had that I had possibly wounded you in any way...Yes......we can agree to disagree...it's much better....and it certainly feels a lot better!

God Bless you.

In Christ's love...
Verna.
To me Truth is a Boolean Logic...I never agree to Disagree...If one can show me Systematically, then i will consider...
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Old 07-13-2010, 03:20 AM
 
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The OP is so extremely long, I couldn't read it all. It had something to do with the Sabbath, right? I figure even in Old Testament days, the Sabbath was really only for the men anyway. Someone still had to change the diapers and keep the fires going and milk the goats. I'm guessing none of that was considered "work".
The ritual of the Sabbath was that the day before the Sabbath you were to prep everything that was needed for the Sabbath Day...Pre-Cook, clean the house, etc,...certain things were permitted on the Sabbath...you could only walk so far, do certain things to an extent, etc...
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Old 07-13-2010, 03:22 AM
 
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Ohh I love that - I had someone once tell me "Jesus was the first Christian."
What nonsense! Even the first Christians weren't Christians. They were Jewish!
Christian simply means follower of Christ...
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Old 07-13-2010, 03:33 AM
 
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Jesus said...

Jesus said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you want to enter into life, obey the commandments." Matthew 19:17
i see you misquoted this scripture it is

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

At this point in time Christ had not suffered therefore how could there be Salvation?...If Salvation was by keeping the Law, this the Jews already knew, there was no need for Christ's sacrifice...Christ was saying things that were applicable at the time, but knew pwople could not follow them because of the sin nature in them, that is why He came...He was the 'once and for all' sacrifice...What was the point in Christ sacrifice if people could keep the commandments as He said to?....
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Old 07-13-2010, 04:11 AM
 
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Jesus said...

Jesus said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you want to enter into life, obey the commandments." Matthew 19:17

Jesus said, "If you love me, you will obey my commandments." John 14:15.

Jesus said, "When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love, just as I obey my Father's commandments and remain in his love." John15:10

Jesus said to them, "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19.

Jesus said unto them, ""You abandon the commandments of God to follow human traditions." Mark 7:8.

Jesus said, "He added, "You have no trouble rejecting the commandments of God in order to keep your own traditions!" Mark 7:9

Paul said to Timothy...

"...that you keep God's commandments stainlessly and without reproach till the Appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Timothy 6:14.

Paul said to the Corinthians...

"For it makes no difference whether or not a man has been circumcised. The important thing is to keep God's commandments." 1 Corinthians 7:19.

Peter said...

1 Peter 1:

13Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; 14As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: 15But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.


17And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: 18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
...and in 1 Peter 2:

1Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, 2As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 3If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

4To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
11Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; 12Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
13Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: 16As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
18Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. 19For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 20For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

...and in 1 Peter 4:


1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 6For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
7But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. 8And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 9Use hospitality one to another without grudging. 10As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 12Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

2 Peter 1:

1Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: 2Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, 3According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 5And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; 6And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; 7And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. 8For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. 10Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

12Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth. 13Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance; 14Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me. 15Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.
16For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
2 peter 2:

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds 9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


2 peter 3:

1This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: 2That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

I could quote the entire Bible...but I will stop here.

In Christ's love...prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
Yikes Verna!!!

By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?

Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them." Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for "He who through faith is righteous shall live"; but the law does not rest on faith, for "He who does them shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us -- for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who hangs on a tree" -- that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

"Love works no ill to his neighbor - therefore love is the fulfilling of the law"

No one in the New Testament is freaking out about the Sabbath. That's why I object to you claiming it is the "Crime of all Ages".

The "Crime of all ages" is to mistreat those made in God's image. "A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another as I have loved you".

Jesus IS the eternal sabbath (AISI). A literal seventh day observance is a dead OUTWARD ritual which means nothing (AISI). Just as outward circumcision means nothing - only the heart. The heart of the Sabbath is to rest in God 24/7.
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Old 07-13-2010, 05:11 AM
 
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Yikes Verna!!!

By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.

I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?

Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them." Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for "He who through faith is righteous shall live"; but the law does not rest on faith, for "He who does them shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us -- for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who hangs on a tree" -- that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

"Love works no ill to his neighbor - therefore love is the fulfilling of the law"

No one in the New Testament is freaking out about the Sabbath. That's why I object to you claiming it is the "Crime of all Ages".

The "Crime of all ages" is to mistreat those made in God's image. "A new commandment I give unto you, that you love one another as I have loved you".

Jesus IS the eternal sabbath (AISI). A literal seventh day observance is a dead OUTWARD ritual which means nothing (AISI). Just as outward circumcision means nothing - only the heart. The heart of the Sabbath is to rest in God 24/7.
I like that...
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Old 07-13-2010, 06:26 AM
 
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i see you misquoted this scripture it is

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
No I didn't...I quoted it verbatum...it says:

17Jesus said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you want to enter into life, obey the commandments." Matthew 19:17 (GWT).
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Old 07-13-2010, 08:13 AM
 
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Yikes Verna!!!
...is this all you have to say concerning my response to your first question about what Jesus, Paul, and Peter had to say about keeping the commandments...?...this is it...?...now you jump to something altogether new...without even responding to that first....hummm...makes me wonder...


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By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
1The main point we want to make is this: We do have this kind of chief priest. This chief priest has received the highest position, the throne of majesty in heaven.

[Christ...the substance of what is being declared...took upon Himself human nature...appeared on earth, and gave Himself a sacrifice to God for the sins of His people. It is ONLY! IN and THROUGH Him we dare approach God...for we are accepted ONLY! in the Beloved...IN ALL OBEDIENCE and worship. We should keep the perfect standard by holding close God's perfect Word. Christ is the substance and end of the law of righteousness, but the covenant here referred to, was made with Israel, securing the promises of all spiritual blessings, and of eternal life, revealed in the gospel, and made sure through Christ. The promises made in this covenant WAS!, IS!, and ALWAYS WILL BE! the most valuable to us...we should bless God that we have a High Priest that suits our helpless condition.

Colossians 3:1 Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 3:1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider Jesus, the Apostle and High Priest of our confession;]

2He serves as priest of the holy place and of the true tent set up by the Lord and not by any human.
3Every chief priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices. Therefore, this chief priest had to offer something.
4If he were on earth, he would not even be a priest. On earth [other] priests offer gifts by following the instructions that Moses gave.

5They serve at a place that is a pattern, a shadow, of what is in heaven. When Moses was about to make the tent, God warned him, "Be sure to make everything based on the plan I showed you on the mountain."

6Jesus has been given a priestly work that is superior to the Levitical priests' work. He also brings a better promise from God that is based on better guarantees.


7If nothing had been wrong with the first promise, no one would look for another one.

8But God found something wrong with his people and said to them, "The days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new promise to Israel and Judah.

9It will not be like the promise that I made to their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of Egypt. They rejected that promise, so I ignored them, says the Lord.

10But this is the promise that I will make to Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my teachings inside them, and I will write those teachings on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

[Write them in their hearts. Instead of upon tables of stone.


...by the blood of Christ, a full remission of sins was provided [to be accepted or not], so that God would remember them no more. God once wrote his laws to his people [his people = Israel = believers = spiritual Israel today = obedient believers], now he will write his laws in them [His people only, NOT! unbeliever's to who not keep the commandments]; he will give them [His people = obedient believer's] understanding to know and to believe his laws; he will give "them"[His people] memories to retain them; he will give "them"[His people] hearts to love them, courage to profess them, and power to put them in practice. This [The Law - The Ten Commandments] is the foundation of the covenant; and when this is laid, duty will be done wisely, sincerely, readily, easily, resolutely, constantly, and with comfort.]


11No longer will each person teach his neighbors or his relatives by saying, 'Know the Lord.' All of them from the least important to the most important will all know me

[There will be such an outpouring of the Spirit of God, that it will make the proclamation of the gospel so effectual, that there will be (as is happening now) such a mighty increase of Christian knowledge in many! people! Oh that the hand of God may be with those who minister His truth...so that great numbers! may believe, and be turned to the Lord!]

12because I will forgive their wickedness and I will no longer hold their sins against them."

By receiving [by believing and obeying] the true knowledge of God, your sin will be pardoned.

Unpardoned sin hinders mercy, and pulls down judgments; but the pardon of sin prevents judgment.]
13God made this new promise and showed that the first promise was outdated. What is outdated and aging will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8 (GWT)

[We should search ourselves to see whether we are taught by the Holy Spirit to KNOW Christ, so that we love, fear, trust, and obey him. All worldly vanities and worldly "forms of" religion, will vanish away, and leave those who trust in them miserable for ever.]
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I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?
...in February of 2009 I heard the truth...I received the knowledege of the truth through the light of Christ's Holy Spirit...confessed all of my sins...repented...and was born again...changed...believed...and obey His Word.

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Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
Amen...for those who believe and obey.

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For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them." Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for "He who through faith is righteous shall live"; but the law does not rest on faith, for "He who does them shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us -- for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who hangs on a tree" -- that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Amen...if you only rightly understood what this means...it fully supports me in what I attempt to teach you.

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Jesus IS the eternal sabbath (AISI). A literal seventh day observance is a dead OUTWARD ritual which means nothing (AISI). Just as outward circumcision means nothing - only the heart. The heart of the Sabbath is to rest in God 24/7.
...well firstborn...all I can say to you is this...continue on believing how you wish. Nothing I can say or do can save you...I'll just keep you in my prayers that someday...before you die physically or Jesus comes (whichever happens first) that you will see the "light" of the truth of the Word of God.

In Christ's love...prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
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...is this all you have to say concerning my response to your first question about what Jesus, Paul, and Peter had to say about keeping the commandments...?...this is it...?...now you jump to something altogether new...without even responding to that first....hummm...makes me wonder...



1The main point we want to make is this: We do have this kind of chief priest. This chief priest has received the highest position, the throne of majesty in heaven.

[Christ...the substance of what is being declared...took upon Himself human nature...appeared on earth, and gave Himself a sacrifice to God for the sins of His people. It is ONLY! IN and THROUGH Him we dare approach God...for we are accepted ONLY! in the Beloved...IN ALL OBEDIENCE and worship. We should keep the perfect standard by holding close God's perfect Word. Christ is the substance and end of the law of righteousness, but the covenant here referred to, was made with Israel, securing the promises of all spiritual blessings, and of eternal life, revealed in the gospel, and made sure through Christ. The promises made in this covenant WAS!, IS!, and ALWAYS WILL BE! the most valuable to us...we should bless God that we have a High Priest that suits our helpless condition.

Colossians 3:1 Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 3:1 Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider Jesus, the Apostle and High Priest of our confession;]

2He serves as priest of the holy place and of the true tent set up by the Lord and not by any human.
3Every chief priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices. Therefore, this chief priest had to offer something.
4If he were on earth, he would not even be a priest. On earth [other] priests offer gifts by following the instructions that Moses gave.

5They serve at a place that is a pattern, a shadow, of what is in heaven. When Moses was about to make the tent, God warned him, "Be sure to make everything based on the plan I showed you on the mountain."

6Jesus has been given a priestly work that is superior to the Levitical priests' work. He also brings a better promise from God that is based on better guarantees.


7If nothing had been wrong with the first promise, no one would look for another one.

8But God found something wrong with his people and said to them, "The days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new promise to Israel and Judah.

9It will not be like the promise that I made to their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of Egypt. They rejected that promise, so I ignored them, says the Lord.

10But this is the promise that I will make to Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my teachings inside them, and I will write those teachings on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

[Write them in their hearts. Instead of upon tables of stone.


...by the blood of Christ, a full remission of sins was provided [to be accepted or not], so that God would remember them no more. God once wrote his laws to his people [his people = Israel = believers = spiritual Israel today = obedient believers], now he will write his laws in them [His people only, NOT! unbeliever's to who not keep the commandments]; he will give them [His people = obedient believer's] understanding to know and to believe his laws; he will give "them"[His people] memories to retain them; he will give "them"[His people] hearts to love them, courage to profess them, and power to put them in practice. This [The Law - The Ten Commandments] is the foundation of the covenant; and when this is laid, duty will be done wisely, sincerely, readily, easily, resolutely, constantly, and with comfort.]


11No longer will each person teach his neighbors or his relatives by saying, 'Know the Lord.' All of them from the least important to the most important will all know me

[There will be such an outpouring of the Spirit of God, that it will make the proclamation of the gospel so effectual, that there will be (as is happening now) such a mighty increase of Christian knowledge in many! people! Oh that the hand of God may be with those who minister His truth...so that great numbers! may believe, and be turned to the Lord!]

12because I will forgive their wickedness and I will no longer hold their sins against them."

By receiving [by believing and obeying] the true knowledge of God, your sin will be pardoned.

Unpardoned sin hinders mercy, and pulls down judgments; but the pardon of sin prevents judgment.]
13God made this new promise and showed that the first promise was outdated. What is outdated and aging will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8 (GWT)

[We should search ourselves to see whether we are taught by the Holy Spirit to KNOW Christ, so that we love, fear, trust, and obey him. All worldly vanities and worldly "forms of" religion, will vanish away, and leave those who trust in them miserable for ever.]
...in February of 2009 I heard the truth...I received the knowledege of the truth through the light of Christ's Holy Spirit...confessed all of my sins...repented...and was born again...changed...believed...and obey His Word.
Amen...for those who believe and obey.
Amen...if you only rightly understood what this means...it fully supports me in what I attempt to teach you.
...well firstborn...all I can say to you is this...continue on believing how you wish. Nothing I can say or do can save you...I'll just keep you in my prayers that someday...before you die physically or Jesus comes (whichever happens first) that you will see the "light" of the truth of the Word of God.

In Christ's love...prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
So much wasted zeal on the ridiculous idea that obedience and not spiritual maturity is what our loving God wants from us. Obedience would feed God's needs and is patently absurd . . . since God has no needs. Spiritual maturity and self-control out of "love of God and each other" satisfies God's desire for US to develop spiritual maturity and love as our predominant "state of mind."

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No I didn't...I quoted it verbatum...it says:

17Jesus said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you want to enter into life, obey the commandments." Matthew 19:17 (GWT).
That is not what it says in the greek, you need to get rid of that bible you quoted from because it changes the meaning of what He said....

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

you qouted

"Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you want to enter into life, obey the commandments."

do you see the difference in the meanng?...one says the man asked Him about what is good the other says that Christ asked why he called Him good....
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