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Old 07-12-2010, 02:31 AM
Location: Canada
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Originally Posted by SC122 View Post
I find it very peculiar that you come up with such specific dates, wilvan.They are merely no more than guesses on your part.Perhaps when Jesus said 'no man will know that day or hour',(including Himself) he really meant it.

However,your explanation still did not answer my original questions.
If we are not to know, what's the point of the prophecy? Why give us the nos. of days to count?

Your orig. question... you can see the answer in my post... the rapture will happen on the Feast of Trumpets and 10 DAYS later on Atonement, the saints come back!

The young ones of the elect in the desert of Jordan are not abandoned. The raptured parents will come back as ETERNAL saints after 10 days.
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Old 07-12-2010, 03:29 AM
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by SC122 View Post
I find it very peculiar that you come up with such specific dates, wilvan.
People have been doing that all along for centuries.
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Old 07-12-2010, 02:34 PM
Location: In God's Hand
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Originally Posted by SC122 View Post
May I ask this question of rapture believers?

It is,without question,a sin to walk out on your spouse (sans abuse or adultery).

SO my question is...would Jesus really do that to our unsaved spouses? ..leave them behind while essentially stealing someone's spouse and or parent (for the ones above the age of accountability not worthy of being taken) away from them? Is this not the same as we are told not to do here on earth...do not leave your spouse,do not divorce,do not walk out on your family,etc?
Remember marriage?

Ephesians 5:30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

The Bridegroom is coming for the chaste bride.

I realize this may be put into the context of being the same or equal to death;but essentially,raptured believers do not die.they are taken away suddenly,removed alive and stay alive.JAT.This is a confusing subject for me.I don't know what to think.
I do know that having a spouse leave was certainly a very negative experience for me,and I have a difficult time imagining Jesus doing the same thing willingly to anyone..i.e.-taking their spouse/parent away,as we are commanded not to leave even an unbeliever,if already married to one.Jesus doing this seems equivalent to spouse stealing/homewrecking.
wouldn't this also make God and Jesus hypocrites? If not, then why not?

in that context..any thoughts?
Which marriage counts more: the temporary till death do them part or the eternal? If not everyone will taste death but some be changed, then that time is the time of "death" to the world that all christian marriages will end if an elect is raptured. Also, if both be raptured, then when they get there, it will be as if they were not married.

1 Corinthians 7: 29But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none; 30And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; 31And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away....39The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

Mark 12: 24And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? 25For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.

Luke 20: 34And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

Now for the question of someone not being a believer, there is a reference , but do note Paul is speaking here, and not the Lord.

1 Corinthians 7: 12But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? 17But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

Since it was Paul speaking here, and not the Lord, it would be presumptuous to assume that the unbeliever will be raptured since wayward believers will be left behind for not abiding in Him.

So I would have to say that as far as the first inheritance goes in attending the Marriage Supper, The Lord chooses the elect, and no one can say He is a homewrecker if the unbelieving spouse is left behind when the raptured saints are no longer considered as part of the living of the world and thus no longer in the marriage on earth which is passing away anyway, but have gone to a eternal marriage supper in Heaven.
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Old 09-28-2010, 04:17 PM
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The church is taken out right before final judgment after the LORD returns and the dead in CHRIST rise first.
1 corinthians 15:51-52 1 Thessolonians 4:15-17 Daniel 12:2 John 5:28-29 Revelation 20:1-5
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