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Old 04-08-2012, 04:36 PM
 
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My reply back to you would be this: "How well do you know the Scriptures?"

In Gen. 3:15 we have the first prophecy regarding the coming of a Messiah or *God in the flesh and how He would defeat the serpent aka the devil or satan.

*1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.[1 Jo. 3:8b].

Note it doesn't say the works of Eve.

II Corinthians 11:3 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."
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Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Reading these verses together provides the image of “the devil” and sin being parallel. Basically “our sins” and “the works of the devil” are the same. The word “devil” is sometimes used representationally to describe human sin and sin is the result of giving way to one’s own desire (See again Jas 1:14, 15).

Our lusts are deceitful (See again Eph. 4:22), thus “the devil”, or deceiver is a fitting way of describing them. Obviously there is personification that is in play here. Well, it's obvious to me.
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:15 PM
 
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So you believe the evil that men do is under God control?
'God' is responsible for all the 'evil' in the world.
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what happened to the God of love?
‘God’ is love. This wicked word is indeed loved by ‘God’, to the very extent that ‘he’ gave ‘his’ son, who was the likeness of sinful flesh (Rom 8:3), so that not only could he enter in this evil and perverse world and the savage humanity that exists here, but also save it.
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:36 PM
 
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'God' is responsible for all the 'evil' in the world.
Ya many believe that, I do not, love thinketh no evil nor worketh evil, God is love. Kid I have been over this part of the subject for a few years now on this board and really do not have the time to get back into it all again.

If interested in seeing a different view of God read these links.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/1005479-did-god-create-sin-evilness.html


http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/1465106-belief-blaspheme.html

http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/1370224-does-god-know-what-you-having.html

http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/709682-god-did-not-want-sacrifice-his.html


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‘God’ is love. This wicked word is indeed loved by ‘God’, to the very extent that ‘he’ gave ‘his’ son, who was the likeness of sinful flesh (Rom 8:3), so that not only could he enter in this evil and perverse world and the savage humanity that exists here, but also save it
Amen , no disagreement here
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:43 PM
 
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God is truly love and has saved us many times by gracing the human heart with the life sustaining substance that is love...........Proof of this is...We have had nuclear weapons for a long time now...Yet the world has not destroyed itself...That is because those tempted to use it think of the ones they love that will be destroyed....it is love that has saved the world...so far...humanity through love is kept alive...without this force..the idea of Satan would prevail...who's goal is the utter destruction of the world...so far people have proven to be good...in their core...in their heart...and the poor ol devil is powerless over the power of love...
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:48 PM
 
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"Is not this written in the Book of Jasher?"--Joshua, x. 13.
"Behold it is written in the Book of Jasher."--II Samuel, i. 18


- Book of Jasher

The Book of Jasher or Book of the Just Man (Hebrew sēfer ha yāšār ספר הישר) is an unknown book mentioned in the Hebrew Bible. The translation "Book of the Just Man" is the traditional Greek and Latin translation, while the rendering a personal name "Jasher" is found in the King James Bible, 1611.
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The book appears to date from after the reign of David. 2 Samuel 1:18 states:
To teach the Sons of Judah the use of the bow; behold it is written in the Book of the Upright (per haiYāšār). /David's lament for Jonathan immediately follows./[1]The Book of Joshua 10:13 states:
And the Sun stood still, and the Moon stayed,until the people had avenged themselves on their enemies.Is this not written in the Book of the Upright (Sēper haiYāšār)?[2]The presence of this event in a book of poetry has been interpreted as a poetic description of the prolonged battle.[3]
The Septuagint translation renders sefer hayashar in both cases as 'Book of the Just'. The reference to the bow is here missing so that the text reads:
And he gave orders to teach it the sons of Iouda: behold it is written in the Book of the Just.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jasher_(biblical_references)
One has to be very careful as to what you attribute to be 'the book of Jasher.'

In Joshua 10:13 it is translated as the book of the Upright which can be another name of Israel just as Jeshurun [Deut. 32:15] is another name for Israel.

And in 2 Sam. 1:18 in the Targum it's called "The book of the Law."

Josephus refers to this 'book' as a book in the temple which very likely perished with the temple itself.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:39 PM
 
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Since I do not believe in Satan (aka Tha DEVIL, Beelzebub, Mephistopheles, Set, Pan, etc etc ad nauseum) I will enertain the cultural mythological significance of it in popular culture.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:42 PM
 
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probably much better than we know God, we spend alota time with him.
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Old 04-10-2012, 05:51 PM
 
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Since I do not believe in Satan (aka Tha DEVIL, Beelzebub, Mephistopheles, Set, Pan, etc etc ad nauseum) I will enertain the cultural mythological significance of it in popular culture.
Beelzebub...literally means Lord Of The Flys....the name originated when one group or tribe would make fun of the other tribes god...and say "Your god is the manure pile behind your house...in other words it was an insult...seems that folks are still hurling insults in this regard about who's god is the better or the real god...


Satan or the idea of this entity is generated and given life by mankind...If you deeply believe in Satan..it will manifest in the real world and give you a hard time...don't feed the demons with your misplaced faith...I have no faith or belief in this thing...hence...Satan is dead...WHY put your faith and power into something that is by design harmful to you.............Fanatic Christians and others will say..."Satan's greatest trick on mankind is getting them to believe he does not exist".................This is foolish....Have faith in GOD - and only GOD...forget satan..
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Old 04-10-2012, 09:56 PM
 
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Satan or the idea of this entity is generated and given life by mankind...
To be cast out as dung!
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:48 AM
 
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Something for you guys to ponder:

Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


Now if Satan was the first one to sin and transgress God's Law and then by him we have become sinners than why did Paul write that it is by one MAN's disobedience we were made sinners? (this is referring to Adam's sin).

If one studies carefully, they will come to realize there is no devil in respect to a third party entity but rather the Devil or Satan is a reference to that disobedient nature of man himself.
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