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Old 04-06-2012, 10:45 AM
 
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but then does the temptation come from within or from without?
1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life.
Is not from the Father, but is from the world (humanity).

Internally and externally, for many are led astray.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin.

Hebrews 5:2
He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness.

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.


"Men attempt to exalt themselves, lording over others in their own ignorance."


Peace, be with you my friend!
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1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life.
Is not from the Father, but is from the world (humanity).

Internally and externally, for many are led astray.

I agree man are tempted internally and externally.

However scripture tells us Jesus was tempted of the devil.

Was this temptation an internal temptation or an external temptation?

If internal, what part of Jesus is the devil?

If external who was the tempter? Was it a man? possible Caesar as he was the ruler of the so called world at that time.

What has been contended in this thread is that satan is some part of man, so which part of man is satan.

Is it the whole man?
Is it the flesh of man?
Is it the spirit of man?
Is it the soul of man?

Which part of man is satan?
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:44 AM
 
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Which part of man is satan?
"Adversity confronts us from various directions."

How many falsely accuse others of not following the Spirit of Christ?
Did not Christ say, "Not my will, but thine be done?"

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Old 04-06-2012, 11:51 AM
 
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Adversity is a principle that results in active resistance, opposition, or contentiousness within the human nature. And the Hebrew term for Satan merely describes an adversarial role, whereas, an accuser (devil) is known for his unrighteous disposition. Thus, the principalities and powers of unholy messengers inculcated the doctrines of demons, devils and Satan himself in the early views of men, falsely fostering and prospering them. Truth becomes known, when deception falls away, that of self-induced blindness. Christ denounced these doctrines and traditions of men within the Spirit of truth, as the ego driven desires are within men; resist them.
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:24 AM
 
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I know that your sick religious bigotry is not your fault . . . it is the result of the evil indoctrination you have received from your religious leaders. But it is still sick bigotry and has no place in the heart or mind of a Christian who truly follows Christ. Christ did not come to found an exclusive club for members only. He came to repair our species pitiful and evil inability to love and avoid sin. You exhibit the same corrupt understanding of God that seems to guide the so-called religious leaders of your church. They have been corrupt and evil from the earliest days of the Papacy and seem not to have learned a thing about Christ in all that time.
Right... And you believe the scriptures????!!
You prove you reject Jesus!
God tells you, he WARNS you: "All who reject the words of Jesus are rejecting Jesus!"
MysticPhD you must reject God' warning and you must reject God' words, to say what you said!!!!

The WARNING..
John 12:48
There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; the very words I have spoken will condemn them at the last day.

MysticPhD You reject the scriptures thus you "CONDEMN Yourself"!
You must even reject this WARNING in scriptures, to say what you say!

MysticPhD Jesus' CHURCH is his Body, he Died for his CHURCH!
Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

MysticPhD Jesus made his CHRISTIAN Church two thousand years ago..
HISTORICAL FACT: Jesus did not make any protestants or protestant churches, all protestant churches are made by men!

MysticPhD Christians believe the words of God!
Christians do NOT place the salvation of their souls in man made churches!

MysticPhD Jesus LOVES his CHURCH, he DIED for his Church!
Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.

Jesus did not make any protestant churches, he died for HIS HOLY Catholic Church! Protestants trust the TEACHINGS of men, they must reject the scriptures to be protestant!
MysticPhD You prove you are protestant, you reject the scriptures; Or twist the scriptures!

MysticPhD Jesus' CHURCH is "HOLY" it is "BLAMELESS"!
Ephesians 5:27
and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
Your words..
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it is the result of the evil indoctrination you have received from your religious leaders.
God's words: A radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

MysticPhD Nice try but, Sorry.. I will trust the words of God over your words!!!
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Old 04-07-2012, 10:51 AM
 
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Adversity is a principle that results in active resistance, opposition, or contentiousness within the human nature.


Brother Jerwade I agree adversity can come after this fashion, but it does not mean it always comes after this fashion.

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And the Hebrew term for Satan merely describes an adversarial role, whereas, an accuser (devil) is known for his unrighteous disposition. Thus, the principalities and powers of unholy messengers inculcated the doctrines of demons, devils and Satan himself in the early views of men, falsely fostering and prospering them. Truth becomes known, when deception falls away, that of self-induced blindness. Christ denounced these doctrines and traditions of men within the Spirit of truth, as the ego driven desires are within men; resist them.


So what part of Jesus has an unrighteous disposition?


Look at the scriptures brother.



1Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

What it would have to say if you are correct is to be tempted of His unrighteous disposition.

What part within Jesus is unrighteous?
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:43 AM
 
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"Adversity confronts us from various directions."

How many falsely accuse others of not following the Spirit of Christ?
Did not Christ say, "Not my will, but thine be done?"

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Adversity is a principle that results in active resistance, opposition, or contentiousness within the human nature. And the Hebrew term for Satan merely describes an adversarial role, whereas, an accuser (devil) is known for his unrighteous disposition. Thus, the principalities and powers of unholy messengers inculcated the doctrines of demons, devils and Satan himself in the early views of men, falsely fostering and prospering them. Truth becomes known, when deception falls away, that of self-induced blindness. Christ denounced these doctrines and traditions of men within the Spirit of truth, as the ego driven desires are within men; resist them.
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Brother Jerwade I agree adversity can come after this fashion, but it does not mean it always comes after this fashion.

So what part of Jesus has an unrighteous disposition?

Look at the scriptures brother.

1Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
To be tempted by men?

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What it would have to say if you are correct is to be tempted of His unrighteous disposition.
Not necessarily, unless seen as a single entity?

"Job was patient despite all his adversities, which
emphasizes the testing of one's character."
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:50 AM
 
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Matthew 4:24
24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.



Matthew 8:16
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

Here we see a difference between being possessed of devils and those who are lunatick, divers diseases and palsy. The devil being called spirits.

Matthew 12:22-28
22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David? 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

So if some part of Jesus is a satan then He is divided in His own house and cannot stand.

Also of note is that there is a hierarchy of devils mentioned here. The 1st book of Enoch goes into more detail on the hierarchy.

Mark 1:32-34
32 And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils. 33 And all the city was gathered together at the door. 34 And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils; and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.



Luke 4:40-41
40 Now when the sun was setting, all they that had any sick with divers diseases brought them unto him; and he laid his hands on every one of them, and healed them. 41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Here we see that devils can speak and actually know who Jesus is.


Luke 10:17-20
17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Here the devils are called spirits



Jude 8-9
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 9 Yet Michael the archangel,when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Here Michael contends with the devil, and it does NOT have anything to do within himself it is a contention about the body of Moses.

Satan, Devil, evil one, evil spirit, wicked one, prince of this world etc. is a real being, separate from the body of man.

There is NOTHING wrong, or evil, or sinful with the way God created man. There is nothing sinful or evil in lust, jealousy, anger etc. in and of themselves. These things are given to us of God. The spirit lusts, and God is a jealous God does that make Him sinful or evil? Hardly.

Where sin and evil enter into these equations is when we place our lust on the things of this world, or for self, but if our lust is for the kingdom of God there is nothing sinful or evil in it.

Thus lust, jealousy, anger etc. that God has given us is NOT a satan/devil. They are actually gifts of God that He has given man and satan/devil has corrupted.

The same goes for the mind, spirit, soul and body of man. These are all gifts from God that satan/devil has corrupted.

Everything in man is of God and is for His glory, sin and evil have NOTHING to do with Gods creation of man.

Man was NOT created by God with sin within him even though many today believe we are born with sin within. And that is a sad, sad doctrine the belittles Gods greatest creation.

What surprises me a little here is that some of you guys/gals agree with me that God did not create man with sin within him, yet maintain that satan/devil is actually some part of man.

Sorry guys/gals but you cannot have it both ways.
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:55 AM
 
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To be tempted by men?

Not necessarily, unless seen as a single entity?

"Job was patient despite all his adversities, which emphasizes the testing of one's character."
Brother look at the temptations that Jesus underwent. What man can offer Him all the kingdoms of the world?

Basically what you are saying is some man tempted Jesus in these verses, yet this was a spiritual test and not after flesh and blood.
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:20 PM
 
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Brother look at the temptations that Jesus underwent. What man can offer Him all the kingdoms of the world?
Basically what you are saying is some man tempted Jesus in these verses, yet this was a spiritual test and not after flesh and blood.
Presently, as I see the human story, we have within us the propensity for good or evil.
Look around you, it doesn't take much to see the differences my friend.
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