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Old 04-07-2012, 12:24 PM
 
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Presently, as I see the human story, we have within us the propensity for good or evil.
Look around you, it doesn't take much to see the differences my friend.
I don't disagree, but what you are saying is that, that propensity is satan/devil.

Thus Jesus had a devil.
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:41 PM
 
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Brother look at the temptations that Jesus underwent. What man can offer Him all the kingdoms of the world?
Basically what you are saying is some man tempted Jesus in these verses, yet this was a spiritual test and not after flesh and blood.
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Presently, as I see the human story, we have within us the propensity for good or evil.
Look around you, it doesn't take much to see the differences my friend.
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I don't disagree, but what you are saying is that, that propensity is satan/devil.

Thus Jesus had a devil.
Pneuma, that which confronted him, did not come from his own disposition.
It came from the Spirit of Men, who desired to exalt themselves.

End of Story
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Old 04-07-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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This is also interesting? Do not men attempt to entice, other men?

"In order for people to be enticed; they would have to be tempted."
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1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life.
Is not from the Father, but is from the world (humanity).

Internally and externally, for many are led astray.
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"Adversity confronts us from various directions."

How many falsely accuse others of not following the Spirit of Christ?
Did not Christ say, "Not my will, but thine be done?"
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To be tempted by men?

Not necessarily, unless seen as a single entity?

"Job was patient despite all his adversities, which emphasizes the testing of one's character."
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Presently, as I see the human story, we have within us the propensity for good or evil.
Look around you, it doesn't take much to see the differences my friend.
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Pneuma, that which confronted him, did not come from his own disposition.
It came from the Spirit of Men, who desired to exalt themselves.

End of Story



Well brother I do not want this to become contentious, but your jumping all over the place.

First you indicate that the devil is other men.

Then you indicate that Jesus' will is a devil, not my will but thine be done

Then you go back to the devil being other men

Then you say the devil is the propensity within each of us to do good or evil.

Now you are saying it is the spirit of men who desire to exalt themselves.

So then where does the spirit of men come from? Did God create man and place this spirit within them? Thus placing a devil within man, and as Jesus was a man within Him also?

No matter how you look at it brother you are saying God made man with a devil within.

Which is an error I will always post against.
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Old 04-07-2012, 02:13 PM
 
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Well brother I do not want this to become contentious, but your jumping all over the place.

First you indicate that the devil is other men.

Then you indicate that Jesus' will is a devil, not my will but thine be done

Then you go back to the devil being other men

Then you say the devil is the propensity within each of us to do good or evil.

Now you are saying it is the spirit of men who desire to exalt themselves.

So then where does the spirit of men come from? Did God create man and place this spirit within them? Thus placing a devil within man, and as Jesus was a man within Him also?

No matter how you look at it brother you are saying God made man with a devil within.

Which is an error I will always post against.
The predominant or prevailing tendency of man's spirit, resides within their disposition.
Whether, it is a physical inclination or that of an intentional mindset.

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Old 04-07-2012, 02:30 PM
 
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The predominant or prevailing tendency of one's spirit is their disposition.
Still means God created man with a predominant or prevailing tendency (devil) within man.



And I obviously disagree with that.

But I have propably said enough on the subject.

Brother we agree on many things, it should not be a surprise that we find ourselves in disagreement once in awhile.

God bless
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Old 04-07-2012, 02:38 PM
 
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Still means God created man with a predominant or prevailing tendency (devil) within man.

And I obviously disagree with that.

But I have probably said enough on the subject.

Brother we agree on many things, it should not be a surprise that we find ourselves in disagreement once in awhile.

God bless
No problem!

"That which separates or divides comes from the minds of men."



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Old 04-07-2012, 02:46 PM
 
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Satan / adversary refers to any opposing force. However, our greatest personal Satan is our human heart.
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Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
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Old 04-07-2012, 02:54 PM
 
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Satan / adversary refers to any opposing force.
For better, or for worst.

"I love all of you."
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Old 04-07-2012, 03:45 PM
 
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Satan / adversary refers to any opposing force. However, our greatest personal Satan is our human heart.
Hello kids in america yes it is the HEART that God looks at.
"Harden not your hearts!"

kids in america Jesus judges each person by what he finds in their heart!
Luke 10:25
On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

kids in america Did Jesus lie? NO, God can't lie!!!
The man answered correctly; to have ETERNAL LIFE.. The Man must >>He HAS TO LOVE!

LOVE SAVES!!


>>God is LOVE!<<
1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
&
1 John 4:16
And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

The man with "LOVE" in his heart, has God in his heart>>God is LOVE!

kids in america God would not send himself to the Lake of Fire.. The Man with God in his heart goes to ETERNAL LIFE!

Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.

Fact is: "Jesus is God"!!
Man was saved by "LOVE ALONE"!
Jesus is a door.. All enter heaven through the "Door of LOVE!"

The person without LOVE is "Godless"!!
The person with faith ALONE is "Godless"!
>>God is LOVE!<<

Satan & Demons are "Godless"!

Dogknox
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Old 04-07-2012, 04:44 PM
 
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Satan, through humans does the most evil and despicable things on earth, and he also is allowed to "come as an angel of light" to deceive many.

Yeah, I lived on the wild side in the seventies, even did psychedelic drugs and I do know who satan is. I don't just "think" that I do.
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