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Old 07-13-2010, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Mike555, you said in other threads that everyone in every part of the entire world, past, present and future, will have the gospel message presented to them once they achieve "God consciousness," and have "positive volition." However, when you had the chance to share the gospel message with helios666, someone who has this God consciousness, yet believes there are many paths to God, someone who was kind and respectful to you, you instead tell them, "If you are not a believer in Christ, then go your own way." You then talked about the written word and doctrine rather than pointing them to the love of God and the fact that Jesus came to seek and to save the lost and to give us peace with God.

Mike, what if you were the person God was trying to send to reach the heart of the one who is seeking God but doesn't believe Jesus is the way? If you did this, how can you be so sure than whenever God sends someone to just the right person at just the right time when they have this positive volition thing going on, that the person God sent will even do His will? Also, I don't think God sees this one person with God consciousness in Nirobi or somewhere, goes to the trouble of sending a person all the way there (hoping they'll actually share the gospel and not tell them to go their own way), and then the free will of the person says they don't believe, so God says, "Oh well. Thanks for going. It was worth a shot."

It seems you believe God is helpless without the assistance of fallible human beings to save people, but at the same time you claim it's a complete work of God. You say God needs our help to get the message to people, but you tell a seeker to "go your own way." Do you really believe God can't do it without the help of feeble, weak, arrogant men that won't even do it right most of the time? God needs men to spread the good news that Jesus died for them to save from their sins and to give them life, but he doesn't need men to help save them. However, if you believe He does, why didn't you try harder with helios666?

But, He can do that all on His own. It's a complete work of God. It is finished. God forgave people because they didn't know what they were doing. Jesus is the Savior of the world. That's the good news.
I think this is what happened with the 1st century Jewish system. It became more about doctrine and control than about basic human relationships.

I believe it is those very relationships that are the rewards.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Frisco, TX
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Doctrine doesn't save, Jesus Christ in you saves.

The letter killeth, but the Spirit giveth life. We need to hear the voice of God IN US, not some preacher telling us what to think. We need direct revelation from God, and if He doesn't give it to us, then we must wait patiently. The sheep won't listen to the voice of a hireling; they know their Shepherd and will follow HIM when He calls.

Man is not a robot. He's not taught spiritual things by attending seminaries and making graphs and charts. He has to be set free from the devil, which is his flesh. Only Christ IN YOU can break the yoke of bondage.

Blessings,
brian
Couldn't rep you man, but that's a whale of a post.

- from one Brian to another.
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Old 07-13-2010, 11:45 AM
 
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The majority of believers will never advance to spiritual maturity because they will not make the effort, indeed, they do not have the desire to study and learn the doctrines of the word of God. It is written, 'Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.' 2 Timothy 2:15
Spiritual maturity:

Mat 22:36

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment.And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
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Old 07-13-2010, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast Texas
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If you haven't got the Holy Ghost you cannot understand scriptures, no matter how long you study them. Are you following Jesus or preacher Joe? Are you following the Spirit of Christ in you, or the devil in you? Your works will testify to you if you are walking in the Spirit or in flesh and condemnation. Doctrine doesn't save, Jesus Christ in you saves.

The letter killeth, but the Spirit giveth life. We need to hear the voice of God IN US, not some preacher telling us what to think. We need direct revelation from God, and if He doesn't give it to us, then we must wait patiently. The sheep won't listen to the voice of a hireling; they know their Shepherd and will follow HIM when He calls.

Man is not a robot. He's not taught spiritual things by attending seminaries and making graphs and charts.
He has to be set free from the devil, which is his flesh. Only Christ IN YOU can break the yoke of bondage.

Blessings,
brian
This is speaking of mosaic law - not general Bible doctrine.

Just for reference - Christians can learn from other Christians. There are people with the Holy Spirit who teach younger or immature behavior lessons of the faith - in some cases, these lessons are grouped together as "doctrines".

I do not understand the reaction simply because Mike posted a link to encourage learning about Christ.
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