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Old 07-12-2010, 01:18 PM
 
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Links are about science and religion and about ways of knowing. Pretty good stuff, actually. Guy is pretty much a genius

 
Old 07-12-2010, 01:34 PM
 
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So when Paul says in the Bible that what he says is NOT inspired from God,is that scripture or not?Exactly how can Paul saying "this isn't inspired" be inspired Scripture?
2 Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."
 
Old 07-12-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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Matthew says CLEARLY Priests bought the field with Judas blood money. Acts CLEARLY say Judas bought it. So yeah that's contradiction. There is also a question about why is field called field of blood. It's all very desperate.



These are no details. This is destiny of a main character, betrayer of Jesus. If Bible is so authoritative that it can override any other knowledge, then I think we can demand it be free of such contradictions. You can't gloss over this stuff as unimportant. It's like saying: "this man is perfectly healthy, apart from that little bullet hole", as Steve Dutch once said.

You demand of us to throw away all our reason and all knowledge that's not from the Bible. That's very different proposition than simply saying Bible is inspired word of God or whatever. And, since Bible is so obviously imperfect, is it really so strange other people are rejecting your view?
There are no contradictions in the word of God. People who make that accusation have no understanding of the passages that they claim contradict each other.


Concerning Juda's death...
Apologetics Press - How Did Judas Actually Kill Himself? (http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/143 - broken link)

Concerning the potter's field...
Remorse and Suicide of Judas. - Fourfold Gospel Bible Commentary

Atheists and those who profess to be Christians, but attempt to allegorize the Bible will allege contradictions where there are none. And they will continue to do so. Nevertheless, for those who are interested in the truth, the above two links address the issue the above poster is trying to make into a contradiction.
 
Old 07-12-2010, 01:46 PM
 
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THe stwo stories of Judas' death are not contradictory.
One notes he hung himself, the other notes his belly burst open. .....so what?
One is the death, and the other is the results of his death.

Simple.

I fall off a cliff.
My head bursts open.

Very simple. What is so difficult about this? There are NO contradictions in the Bible.
If anyone would care to present me one, it will be easily refuted, as it has done, over and over again.

Matt 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

Judas, in his death and price paid, bought the field.
The wages of his unrighteousness did this, and it is very elegantly expressed here.
 
Old 07-12-2010, 01:48 PM
 
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2 Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness."

That's not an answer,just a dodge.Use your own words instead of cutting and pasting verses.

Again,HOW is a statement by Paul that says what he is saying is NOT scripture,scripture?When Paul says that what he is saying is not inspired,is he wrong?And if he is wrong,yet it is in the Bible,then how is that verse inspired?

It is like the old joke.A guy says,"I lie in everything I say.But the previous statement is a lie."
 
Old 07-12-2010, 01:50 PM
 
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THe stwo stories of Judas' death are not contradictory.
One notes he hung himself, the other notes his belly burst open. .....so what?
One is the death, and the other is the results of his death.

Simple.

I fall off a cliff.
My head bursts open.

Very simple. What is so difficult about this? There are NO contradictions in the Bible.
If anyone would care to present me one, it will be easily refuted, as it has done, over and over again.

Matt 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

Judas, in his death and price paid, bought the field.
The wages of his unrighteousness did this, and it is very elegantly expressed here.
One says the priests bought the field.The other says Judas did.No word games about how a dead body landed will solve that issue.
 
Old 07-12-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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One says the priests bought the field.The other says Judas did.No word games about how a dead body landed will solve that issue.
They bought it with his money, and must have put it in his name because it was blood money and could not be owned by the church. So legally Judas bought the land.
 
Old 07-12-2010, 02:03 PM
 
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That's not an answer,just a dodge.Use your own words instead of cutting and pasting verses.
Dodge what? You haven't even offered the verse you want to talk about.
 
Old 07-12-2010, 02:16 PM
 
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Yes, this in an important point. Moses and Abraham did not know Christ, yet they believed. They believed in what God had revealed to them, which may not have been much. However little it was, it is enogh for God, because he knows Abraham could only know more than what had been reveled to him.
Yes. God (specifically, the second Person of the trinity-Jesus Christ) had revealed that in the fulness of time, a Messiah would come to pay the penalty for their sins. All the animal sacrifices were a type or picture of the Messiah. The lifting up of the serpent on the staff in the wilderness was similiarly a picture of the Messiah. (Num 21:9; John 3:14). As a matter of fact, Abrahams' near sacrafice of Isaac was a picture of the Messiah.


I had included these three passages which show that the entire 'inhabited' world had been evangelized in the first century. It was promptly pooh-poohed by one of posters who just doesn't want to believe the Bible.

Acts 17:6 And when they did not find them, they began dragging Jason and some brethren before the city authorities, shouting, ''These men who have upset the world (the inhabited earth) have come here also;

Colossians 1:5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel, [6] which has come to you, just as in all the world also it is constantly bearing fruit and increasing, even as it has been doing in you also since the day you heard of it and understood the grace of God in truth,

1 Timothy 3:16 And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness; He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Beheld by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.

Missionary activity has gone on ever since then.
 
Old 07-12-2010, 02:35 PM
 
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They bought it with his money, and must have put it in his name because it was blood money and could not be owned by the church. So legally Judas bought the land.

Like I said earlier,it is amazing what you guys will come up with.The Bible SAYS Judas bought the field.NOW who is changing what the Bible says with "they must haves".That is NOT what the Bible says.It is very plain.It is merely what you want it to infer because you have to in order to maintain the idea of a literally true Bible.

BTW,the Jewish priests that he threw the money at were NOT the church,the were the Jewish priest who wanted Jesus dead.So there goes that excuse.
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