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Old 07-14-2010, 04:20 PM
 
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Who let the fifth graders in here????


I am not smarter than a 5th grader.


Just a point, I repeat what Richard posts to me sometimes to show how insignificant it is to make those kinds of assertions.

I guess I could go "uuh uuuuhhh" instead.
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Old 07-14-2010, 04:24 PM
 
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I am not smarter than a 5th grader.


Just a point, I repeat what Richard posts to me sometimes to show how insignificant it is to make those kinds of assertions.

I guess I could go "uuh uuuuhhh" instead.
I know exactly why you do it, Phaze . . . I am tempted frequently myself. They can be so annoyingly arrogant and condescending.
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Old 07-14-2010, 04:45 PM
 
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OK . . . if they are ALREADY believers . . . they already DO Bow and Kneel, etc. . . . so it makes no sense for the verses to say they "SHALL or WILL" do so. Therefore it must refer to more than the believers . . . hence the "every" means "EVERY."

In Christ's love,
Mystic
I've gotta hand it to you Mystic...you and those of your ilk never cease to amaze me...nice stretch though...but no go. He is merely proclaimng that FINALLY!!!!...every knee that is a knee, will be a believing...worshipping...God praising knee...and will all give Him the glory He so deserves!!!!...He's speaking joyfully!!!...like....."AHHHHHH!!!!...AT LAST!!!!..........No more wicked unbeliever's!!!!"

In Christ's love...prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
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Old 07-14-2010, 04:47 PM
 
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I've gotta hand it to you Mystic...you and those of your ilk never cease to amaze me...nice stretch though...but no go. He is merely proclaimng that FINALLY!!!!...every knee that is a knee, will be a believing...worshipping...God praising knee,,,and will all give Him the glory He so deserves!!!!...He's speaking joyfully!!!...like....."AHHHHHH!!!!...AT LAST!!!!..........No more wicked unbeliever's!!!!"

In Christ's love...prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.


Yes indeed All Mankind will be believing and they will no longer be unbelieving.

It is indeed wonderful.
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Old 07-14-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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I've gotta hand it to you Mystic...you and those of your ilk never cease to amaze me...nice stretch though...but no go. He is merely proclaimng that FINALLY!!!!...every knee that is a knee, will be a believing...worshipping...God praising knee...and will all give Him the glory He so deserves!!!!...He's speaking joyfully!!!...like....."AHHHHHH!!!!...AT LAST!!!!..........No more wicked unbeliever's!!!!"

In Christ's love...prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.

Are you so anxious for those who are not Christians to be destroyed forever?

Will it make you so happy to see them suffer and be destroyed?
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:03 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Sorry I wasn't clear. You quoted "God's wrath remains on him."
So if wrath=lake of fire, and someone is not walking around with a fireball on him right now, how can it remain? Does that make sense?.
Bright Hope for Tommorrow,
Sorry for the lenght...but you're worth it

God's wrath is one thing, hell is another


God's wrath is God's wrath. John 3:36
God's wrath against sin\rebellion is literal Romans 6:23, Genesis 2:17
God's wrath against sin\rebellion will continue beyond death Matthew 5:21-31
God's wrath was on display when Jesus said "Why have you forsaken me?" Mark 15:34
God's will for his wrath was announced when he said "I will put enmity between...."Genesis 3:15


God's will for his wrath was made clear and is satisfied against sinner was he announced:
"you will surely die" Genesis 2:17

"The word of the LORD came to me:....For every living soul belongs to me... The soul who sins is the one who will die...... The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wickedwill be charged against him." Ezekiel 18:1,4,20

Do you see God's will in Ezekiel 18:1,4,20.
"the righteous man will be credited"
"the wicked will be charged against him"

What about the soul....
"For every living soul belongs to me...The soul who sins is the one who will die"

What did Jesus say about the soul...?
... Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28

Hell is different.

Hell is the end result of God's wrath
Hell is described in different ways..."lake of fire", "darkness", "a place of torment", "a second death", "eternal fire"
Hell was meant for the devil and his angels Matthew 25:41
Hell is eternal Matthew 25:41

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He did provide a plan\and has told us the result of this plan Genesis 3:15

God's will for for mankind is to have faith in his plan to advert his wrath

Ezekiel 18:21
"But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die."


Rejecting the plan or the lack of knowledge of the plan does not satisfy God's will for his wrath.

It is God's will for humans that they are warned, if not ... they will die and you will be held accountable.

"When I say to the wicked, 'O wicked man, you will surely die,' and you do not speak out to dissuade him from his ways, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood." Ezekiel 33:8
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:06 PM
 
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Are you so anxious for those who are not Christians to be destroyed forever?

Will it make you so happy to see them suffer and be destroyed?


I don't believe that would make Verna happy at all, but I have witnessed this emotion before, it is the need to feel special and set apart.

If there is no one who ultimatly is lost forever then they get a feeling that they are not really special in the first place.
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:07 PM
 
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I've gotta hand it to you Mystic...you and those of your ilk never cease to amaze me...nice stretch though...but no go. He is merely proclaimng that FINALLY!!!!...every knee that is a knee, will be a believing...worshipping...God praising knee...and will all give Him the glory He so deserves!!!!...He's speaking joyfully!!!...like....."AHHHHHH!!!!...AT LAST!!!!..........No more wicked unbeliever's!!!!"

In Christ's love...prayerfully in His truth,
Verna.
That's what I said . . . Every knee . . . not just believer's knees!!!
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:14 PM
 
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Bright Hope for Tommorrow,
Sorry for the lenght...but you're worth it

God's wrath is one thing, hell is another
Thanks. Well, I asked in my post if you were referring to the lake of fire when you quoted the verse with wrath in it. I guess we had a miscommunication on that part, because I took your answer to say yes, wrath is the lake of fire, hence my reply.
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:22 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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So you are saying scripture contradicts itself.

What then is the effect of confessing JESUS AS LORD?
The devils confessed who Jesus is and are terrified.

Mark 1:24
"What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!"

They didn't say this from the standpoint of faith, but of inevitability.
No less will be the unbeliever...their knee will bow, they will be forced to confess to what they refused to do, and then follow God's will for the devils...destruction:

Matthew 25:41
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
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