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Old 07-14-2010, 04:28 PM
 
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Mat 11:12

And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.


The kingdom of heaven had been taken by force in the days of Christ by the pharisees, and in the 4th century it was again taken by force by the violent murdering and torturing wolves who wear the clothing of Sheep. Those who in their hearts denied the truth of the love of Christ though with their lips they did claim him as lord. And to this day the kingdom of heaven is under the force of violent men and women who use spiritual terrorism to control others and proselytize, making greater children of hell than themselves.


Luke 3:14

And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.


Christ did command us to do no violence to others, yet the power hungry war mongers who seized power over the church and brought in the doctrines of demons and violence claiming Christ would do violence to most of humanity "for ever and ever" took control of the church and committed mass murder and every abomination in his name.

We know the tree by its fruit, and just look at the fruit of the men and women who have controlled Christianity for 1700 years, with their holy wars, and inquisitions of torture and mass murder and threats of everlasting torments.

God will not be mocked, and all those proud and haughty persons with violence in their hearts towards others shall be brought low, while the humble and the meek and those who have the love of Christ in their hearts will be glorified.

Check your heart people, where do you stand?

Blessed are the peacemakers, and cursed are those who do violence ...



Peace ...

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Old 07-14-2010, 04:33 PM
 
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Hear, hear.
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Old 07-14-2010, 05:40 PM
 
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Mat 11:12

And, from the days of John the Baptist till now, the reign of the heavens doth suffer violence, and violent men do take it by force


The kingdom of heaven had been taken by force in the days of Christ by the pharisees, and in the 4th century it was again taken by force by the violent murdering and torturing wolves who wear the clothing of Sheep. Those who in their hearts denied the truth of the love of Christ though with their lips they did claim him as lord. And to this day the kingdom of heaven is under the force of violent men and women who use spiritual terrorism to control others and proselytize, making greater children of hell than themselves.


Luke 3:14

And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.


Christ did command us to do no violence to others, yet the power hungry war mongers who seized power over the church and brought in the doctrines of demons and violence claiming Christ would do violence to most of humanity "for ever and ever" took control of the church and committed mass murder and every abomination in his name.

We know the tree by its fruit, and just look at the fruit of the men and women who have controlled Christianity for 1700 years, with their holy wars, and inquisitions of torture and mass murder and threats of everlasting torments.

God will not be mocked, and all those proud and haughty persons with violence in their hearts towards others shall be brought low, while the humble and the meek and those who have the love of Christ in their hearts will be glorified.

Check your heart people, where do you stand?

Blessed are the peacemakers, and cursed are those who do violence ...



Peace ...
Thanks for sharing...eye opener...
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Old 07-14-2010, 06:40 PM
 
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The Kingdom of heaven is more than the 'church'. Why speak of one beast and leave the other out? See both for what they are,,,but it was a good post,,,just incomplete.

It is like you went after the ET doctrine,,,again,,,and missed the other half. That is the problem with rose colored glasses.
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Old 07-14-2010, 06:47 PM
 
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The Kingdom of heaven is more than the 'church'. Why speak of one beast and leave the other out? See both for what they are,,,but it was a good post,,,just incomplete.

It is like you went after the ET doctrine,,,again,,,and missed the other half. That is the problem with rose colored glasses.

Please do provide the "other half" as you see fit ...
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Old 07-14-2010, 09:30 PM
 
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Please do provide the "other half" as you see fit ...
Well, the first half, as well as the second half, which make up the whole of the 'world'='Kosmos(Greek)' ,dominated by Satan, is a systems of control designed to enslave both the mind and the body.

The first half being religion designed to enslave the mind and keep people in bondage to those who exercise authority over others for the sake of their own personal gain, at the loss of those held in submission. They threaten these people through fears of the afterlife, since they think they have control over their souls.

The second half being statism, or government, designed to enslave the body's labors and keep people in bondage to those who exercise authority over others for the sake of their own personal gain, or the gain of others of their choosing. Of course, at the loss of property and freedom to those held under bondage, by force.

The Who-re riding the beast is those who profess to be a virgin prepared for Christ(True Christians) while riding luxurily through life at the expense of others, while not standing up for the Truth.
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Old 07-14-2010, 10:22 PM
 
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Well, the first half, as well as the second half, which make up the whole of the 'world'='Kosmos(Greek)' ,dominated by Satan, is a systems of control designed to enslave both the mind and the body.

The first half being religion designed to enslave the mind and keep people in bondage to those who exercise authority over others for the sake of their own personal gain, at the loss of those held in submission. They threaten these people through fears of the afterlife, since they think they have control over their souls.

The second half being statism, or government, designed to enslave the body's labors and keep people in bondage to those who exercise authority over others for the sake of their own personal gain, or the gain of others of their choosing. Of course, at the loss of property and freedom to those held under bondage, by force.

The Who-re riding the beast is those who profess to be a virgin prepared for Christ(True Christians) while riding luxurily through life at the expense of others, while not standing up for the Truth.
I would have totally concurred to your OP except for the bolded words...

I'm positive, it does not mean how I read it? Please expound...
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Old 07-15-2010, 01:40 AM
 
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Well, the first half, as well as the second half, which make up the whole of the 'world'='Kosmos(Greek)' ,dominated by Satan, is a systems of control designed to enslave both the mind and the body.

The first half being religion designed to enslave the mind and keep people in bondage to those who exercise authority over others for the sake of their own personal gain, at the loss of those held in submission. They threaten these people through fears of the afterlife, since they think they have control over their souls.

The second half being statism, or government, designed to enslave the body's labors and keep people in bondage to those who exercise authority over others for the sake of their own personal gain, or the gain of others of their choosing. Of course, at the loss of property and freedom to those held under bondage, by force.

The Who-re riding the beast is those who profess to be a virgin prepared for Christ(True Christians) while riding luxurily through life at the expense of others, while not standing up for the Truth.

Indeed ... My argument along with some others is that Christ is victorious throughout and within all things, throughout and within all creation, while Satan himself is defeated, and all his works. Death will not have any victory over anything, period.

Many believe that death and sin have victory over most, i believe that is sacrilege in the highest degree...
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:04 AM
 
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I would have totally concurred to your OP except for the bolded words...

I'm positive, it does not mean how I read it? Please expound...
I am not sure I understand your question. Could you please elaborate?
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Old 07-15-2010, 10:48 AM
 
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Well, the first half, as well as the second half, which make up the whole of the 'world'='Kosmos(Greek)' ,dominated by Satan, is a systems of control designed to enslave both the mind and the body.

The first half being religion designed to enslave the mind and keep people in bondage to those who exercise authority over others for the sake of their own personal gain, at the loss of those held in submission. They threaten these people through fears of the afterlife, since they think they have control over their souls.

The second half being statism, or government, designed to enslave the body's labors and keep people in bondage to those who exercise authority over others for the sake of their own personal gain, or the gain of others of their choosing. Of course, at the loss of property and freedom to those held under bondage, by force.

The Who-re riding the beast is those who profess to be a virgin prepared for Christ(True Christians) while riding luxurily through life at the expense of others, while not standing up for the Truth.
Good post HotinAZ...but I'm a little confused by what you said too. Did you mean UN-true Christians?
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