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Old 07-17-2010, 07:04 PM
 
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June,
With all seriousness aside.....
you're getting sleepy .... sleepy..... "come into my parlor said the spider " ..............

"gotchya"

See!? June knew it....She just KNEW IT! There's a "trick" quesiton somewhere in here!.....

--Except June is wide awake, Twin, as she's 'onto you!'


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Originally Posted by twin.spin

June,
I guess I "jumped the gun" when I mentioned about the plan.

From other posts...the perception is that beyond Adam001 and Eve001, God's went awol and the "term of service" was some hidden quest to find.........not so.
Uh, twin, my friend? Not that it's June's place (atheist though she may be) to say so, but if June were to try to convince a "just June" atheist like herself, she'd be talking about "Old Covenant" and "New Covenant" in terms of the OP....You see, despite what you all want June to believe, you HAVE TO connect the two. It makes no sense, otherwise. You can't have a "banning" and vindictive God in the OT, and then suddenly have the loving presence of Jesus "trustworthy 'Lord' and God" in the NT!

Nope. You see, Twin, God DID enter into a mutual relationship in the OT. It's called a "Covenant." Both man and God had to somehow agree, although when man deviated from that, God had a few choice words to say. --But what you're missing here (and June is practically answering her own question!) is the fact that one Covenant was replaced by another. God could not hate or dislike (much less "ban") his OWN creation. Nope. He repeatedly gives them chances to "return" to Him. --And why? Because he did, in fact, enter into a relation with mankind from the onset. It's his own creation: He is hardly going to banish his own self in such a non-loving, non-relational way.

(Does that make sense?)

But nonetheless, it still doesn't answer the OP: How is one to know that despite God's creative features, that Jesus is trustworthy of being regarded God?

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Originally Posted by twin.spin
Adam and Eve had a perfect understanding of the "terms of service".
True. But it was NOT the same sort of "Terms of Service" as we have here, on city-data. (Twin, sweetie: Think "covenant.")

Think what that implies!

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Originally Posted by twin.spin

About God being a "angry God" in the OT. He can be if you're looking over your shoulder for it.
June's telling you, Twin: It's only man's interpretation of Genesis that interprets God that way. Otherwise, you CANNOT make the connection between the OT God, and the "trustworthy" God that is "lord" and God of the NT. As someone else on this thread said: God doesn't change. He didn't have to.

It all comes down to convenant. MUTUALITY. God loved (loves) his creation. It was a mutually entered into, agreed upon, and understood state of affairs. But Adam and Eve, well, they didn't quite "get" it. However, God merely did what God did: He found a way in which to best reveal Himself to them such that perhaps they would "return" to Him....

Hence, the OP....

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[*]So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life." [/list]Yes or No [all the snakes I'm aware of crawl on their belly]
If we go the "vindictive God" route, there is no hope of ever answering June's question: How do you know that Jesus is the "trustworthy Lord and God" of the NT?

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[*][color=blue][/list]Do you know what "enmity" means?
You betchya June knows what "enmity" means, but she's trying to help you out here, twin: Do YOU know what "covenant" means?

(June'll be darned if she's about to do a full fledged definition in order to answer her own question!!!).....

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Originally Posted by twin.spin

Part 3 next
June's put a pot of coffee on, dear twin!


P.S. After you "connect the dots" between the OLD Covenant and the NEW Covenant, could we "fast forward" to how Jesus is the "trustworthy Lord and God?"




Take gentle care.


P.S. June loves ya, Twin!

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Old 07-17-2010, 07:27 PM
 
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Default She should have made the coffee stronger....

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...true or false
They're all true, but that's not the connection...

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O Sovereign LORD, you are God! Your words are trustworthy
Not if he's being vindictive towards his own creation, they're not!

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To whom is this "emnity" being said\applied to?
Surely not June. Cuz June's a "child of God" just as you are, twin!

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the "emnity" between those who have faith and those who do not believe
--Remember that "Covenant" aspect that June referred to in her last post? Well, she's thinkin' that there's not a whole lotta "emnity" going on in the final analysis of things here, Twin...God's not looking to be anywhere near as harsh and angry as you're making him out to be.

-Cuz somehow (and June thinks she's figured it out by now) there's gotta be a connection between the "never changing" God of the OT, and the "trustworthy Jesus" as Lord and God (the actual OP!) of the NT!

Right?

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You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus
June: Still waiting...

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The emnity between God and humanity
Nope.

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Originally Posted by twin.spin

LORD, you are God! Your words are trustworthy
But how did we get from this ^ to this:

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Originally Posted by twin.spin
he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."
Then June has no desire to know him.

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Originally Posted by twin.spin
Either you trust that Jesus did your battle with enmity, or it's on your responsibility
He fulfilled the prophesies of the New Covenant.

That's what June thinks. According to theology.

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Originally Posted by twin.spin
" 'For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I myself will search for my sheep and look after them."

Jesus is trustworthy......
Finally: Enmity, gone.

That which I create, and am the creator of, has no place for emnity. I am my creation and my creation is me. Lovingly inseparable. (Genesis)


Take gentle care.

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Old 07-17-2010, 07:33 PM
 
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See!? June knew it....She just KNEW IT! There's a "trick" quesiton somewhere in here!.....

--Except June is wide awake, Twin, as she's 'onto you!'




Uh, twin, my friend? Not that it's June's place (atheist though she may be) to say so, but if June were to try to convince a "just June" atheist like herself, she'd be talking about "Old Covenant" and "New Covenant" in terms of the OP....You see, despite what you all want June to believe, you HAVE TO connect the two. It makes no sense, otherwise. You can't have a "banning" and vindictive God in the OT, and then suddenly have the loving presence of Jesus "trustworth 'Lord' and God" in the NT!

Nope. You see, Twin, God DID enter into a mutual relationship in the OT. It's called a "Covenant." Both man and God had to somehow agree, although when man deviated from that, God had a few choice words to say. --But what you're missing here (and June is practically answering her own question!) is the fact that one Covenant was replaced by another. God could not hate or dislike (much less "ban") his OWN creation. Nope. He repeatedly gives them chances to "return" to Him. --And why? Because he did, in fact, enter into a relation with mankind from the onset. It's his own creation: He is hardly going to banish his own self in such a non-loving, non-relational way.

(Does that make sense?)

But nonetheless, it still doesn't answer the OP: How is one to know that despite God's creative features, that Jesus is trustworthy of being regarded God?



True. But it was NOT the same sort of "Terms of Service" as we have here, on city-data. (Twin, sweetie: Think "covenant.")

Think what that implies!



June's telling you, Twin: It's only man's interpretation of Genesis that interprets God that way. Otherwise, you CANNOT make the connection between the OT God, and the "trustworthy" God that is "lord" and God of the NT. As someone else on this thread said: God doesn't change. He didn't have to.

It all comes down to convenant. MUTUALITY. God loved (loves) his creation. It was a mutually entered into, agreed upon, and understood state of affairs. But Adam and Eve, well, they didn't quite "get" it. However, God merely did what God did: He found a way in which to best reveal Himself to them such that perhaps they would "return" to Him....

Hence, the OP....



If we go the "vindictive God" route, there is no hope of ever answering June's question: How do you know that Jesus is the "trustworthy Lord and God" of the NT?



You betchya June knows what "enmity" means, but she's trying to help you out here, twin: Do YOU know what "covenant" means?

(June'll be darned if she's about to do a full fledged definition in order to answer her own question!!!).....



June's put a pot of coffee on, dear twin!


P.S. After you "connect the dots" between the OLD Covenant and the NEW Covenant, could we "fast forward" to how Jesus is the "trustworthy Lord and God?"




Take gentle care.


P.S. June loves ya, Twin!
WOW!...Agape...





 
Old 07-17-2010, 08:25 PM
 
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Originally Posted by june 7th View Post
See!? June knew it....She just KNEW IT! There's a "trick" quesiton somewhere in here!.....

--Except June is wide awake, Twin, as she's 'onto you!'




Uh, twin, my friend? Not that it's June's place (atheist though she may be) to say so, but if June were to try to convince a "just June" atheist like herself, she'd be talking about "Old Covenant" and "New Covenant" in terms of the OP....You see, despite what you all want June to believe, you HAVE TO connect the two. It makes no sense, otherwise. You can't have a "banning" and vindictive God in the OT, and then suddenly have the loving presence of Jesus "trustworth 'Lord' and God" in the NT!

Nope. You see, Twin, God DID enter into a mutual relationship in the OT. It's called a "Covenant." Both man and God had to somehow agree, although when man deviated from that, God had a few choice words to say. --But what you're missing here (and June is practically answering her own question!) is the fact that one Covenant was replaced by another. God could not hate or dislike (much less "ban") his OWN creation. Nope. He repeatedly gives them chances to "return" to Him. --And why? Because he did, in fact, enter into a relation with mankind from the onset. It's his own creation: He is hardly going to banish his own self in such a non-loving, non-relational way.

(Does that make sense?)

But nonetheless, it still doesn't answer the OP: How is one to know that despite God's creative features, that Jesus is trustworthy of being regarded God?



True. But it was NOT the same sort of "Terms of Service" as we have here, on city-data. (Twin, sweetie: Think "covenant.")

Think what that implies!



June's telling you, Twin: It's only man's interpretation of Genesis that interprets God that way. Otherwise, you CANNOT make the connection between the OT God, and the "trustworthy" God that is "lord" and God of the NT. As someone else on this thread said: God doesn't change. He didn't have to.

It all comes down to convenant. MUTUALITY. God loved (loves) his creation. It was a mutually entered into, agreed upon, and understood state of affairs. But Adam and Eve, well, they didn't quite "get" it. However, God merely did what God did: He found a way in which to best reveal Himself to them such that perhaps they would "return" to Him....

Hence, the OP....



If we go the "vindictive God" route, there is no hope of ever answering June's question: How do you know that Jesus is the "trustworthy Lord and God" of the NT?



You betchya June knows what "enmity" means, but she's trying to help you out here, twin: Do YOU know what "covenant" means?

(June'll be darned if she's about to do a full fledged definition in order to answer her own question!!!).....



June's put a pot of coffee on, dear twin!


P.S. After you "connect the dots" between the OLD Covenant and the NEW Covenant, could we "fast forward" to how Jesus is the "trustworthy Lord and God?"




Take gentle care.


P.S. June loves ya, Twin!
Ah-hah! Connecting the dots is what it is all about! OT and NT fit perfectly together. "Angry" God plus Yeshua (Jesus) together make the puzzle work.
 
Old 07-17-2010, 08:44 PM
 
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WOW!...Agape...





Yup.
 
Old 07-17-2010, 08:48 PM
 
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Yup.
Ah,hahahaha...
 
Old 07-17-2010, 08:55 PM
 
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Ah,hahahaha...
...Because even nonbelievers can read, and understand the bible. Even nonbelievers can understand theology.

And even nonbelievers have a spirit.
 
Old 07-17-2010, 09:18 PM
 
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...Because even nonbelievers can read, and understand the bible. Even nonbelievers can understand theology.

And even nonbelievers have a spirit.
And my spirit sings... She who has an ear...hear!
 
Old 07-18-2010, 09:27 AM
 
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Originally Posted by june 7th View Post
See!? June knew it....She just KNEW IT! There's a "trick" quesiton somewhere in here!.....

--Except June is wide awake, Twin, as she's 'onto you!'




Uh, twin, my friend? Not that it's June's place (atheist though she may be) to say so, but if June were to try to convince a "just June" atheist like herself, she'd be talking about "Old Covenant" and "New Covenant" in terms of the OP....You see, despite what you all want June to believe, you HAVE TO connect the two. It makes no sense, otherwise. You can't have a "banning" and vindictive God in the OT, and then suddenly have the loving presence of Jesus "trustworth 'Lord' and God" in the NT!

Nope. You see, Twin, God DID enter into a mutual relationship in the OT. It's called a "Covenant." Both man and God had to somehow agree, although when man deviated from that, God had a few choice words to say. --But what you're missing here (and June is practically answering her own question!) is the fact that one Covenant was replaced by another. God could not hate or dislike (much less "ban") his OWN creation. Nope. He repeatedly gives them chances to "return" to Him. --And why? Because he did, in fact, enter into a relation with mankind from the onset. It's his own creation: He is hardly going to banish his own self in such a non-loving, non-relational way.

(Does that make sense?)

But nonetheless, it still doesn't answer the OP: How is one to know that despite God's creative features, that Jesus is trustworthy of being regarded God?



True. But it was NOT the same sort of "Terms of Service" as we have here, on city-data. (Twin, sweetie: Think "covenant.")

Think what that implies!



June's telling you, Twin: It's only man's interpretation of Genesis that interprets God that way. Otherwise, you CANNOT make the connection between the OT God, and the "trustworthy" God that is "lord" and God of the NT. As someone else on this thread said: God doesn't change. He didn't have to.

It all comes down to convenant. MUTUALITY. God loved (loves) his creation. It was a mutually entered into, agreed upon, and understood state of affairs. But Adam and Eve, well, they didn't quite "get" it. However, God merely did what God did: He found a way in which to best reveal Himself to them such that perhaps they would "return" to Him....

Hence, the OP....



If we go the "vindictive God" route, there is no hope of ever answering June's question: How do you know that Jesus is the "trustworthy Lord and God" of the NT?



You betchya June knows what "enmity" means, but she's trying to help you out here, twin: Do YOU know what "covenant" means?

(June'll be darned if she's about to do a full fledged definition in order to answer her own question!!!).....



June's put a pot of coffee on, dear twin!


P.S. After you "connect the dots" between the OLD Covenant and the NEW Covenant, could we "fast forward" to how Jesus is the "trustworthy Lord and God?"




Take gentle care.


P.S. June loves ya, Twin!
like I said once before

June you are starting to sound like an UR'er.

Now some might think, well that just goes to show UR is in error because June being an athiest seems to see the UR perspective.

But some other might think, well that just goes to show that the common people (common as being not religious) hear the gospel readily.
 
Old 07-18-2010, 02:38 PM
 
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June you are starting to sound like an UR'er.

Huh!? .

~And to think that all this time, the little "just June" atheist thought she was sounding like her "just June" little self!


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