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Old 07-30-2010, 11:02 AM
 
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This thread was thought of while reading a post talking about secret codes within the genealogy of Jesus.The subject seemed to deserve more than just a buried post in another thread.

The issue is this.The genealogy in Matthew is wrong.On 2 accounts.

First,it leaves out direct descendants from Abraham to Jesus.Compare Mt 1:1 to 1 Chron 3:10-16.Matthew leaves entire generations of direct father to son descendants out while trying to achieve a mystical number of 42 generations to Jesus.Specifically,start comparing Mt 1:9 with 1 Chron 3:11. 3 generations are skipped,apparently intentionally.So why would God need to dictate to Matthew to leave out 3 generations to get the magical 42 generations?He could have made sure there was only 42 generations instead of having to tell Matthew to just leave out a few and hope no one notices.

Second,Matthew's count is wrong.Mt 1:1 does not even contain the 42 generations he is striving for.It has 41.Count them yourself.It's a pretty safe bet that if God were dictating Scripture to Matthew as so many literalists believe that He would get the count right.


Now,this thread is not a bash the Bible thread.Nor is it a bash the literalists thread.It is simply a thread bringing up the obvious problems of an inerreant Bible in light of the issues of Mt 1:1. If the ability to discuss this without insults,judgements on the Christianity of others,or other personal attacks and namecalling is beyond anyone,then please,let the adults discuss this.Adults who have the capacity to discuss the subject at hand without resorting to attacks as a substitute for having anything substantive to say on the issue.

So how is Matthew without error in light of these issues?
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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This thread was thought of while reading a post talking about secret codes within the genealogy of Jesus.The subject seemed to deserve more than just a buried post in another thread.

The issue is this.The genealogy in Matthew is wrong.On 2 accounts.

First,it leaves out direct descendants from Abraham to Jesus.Compare Mt 1:1 to 1 Chron 3:10-16.Matthew leaves entire generations of direct father to son descendants out while trying to achieve a mystical number of 42 generations to Jesus.Specifically,start comparing Mt 1:9 with 1 Chron 3:11. 3 generations are skipped,apparently intentionally.So why would God need to dictate to Matthew to leave out 3 generations to get the magical 42 generations?He could have made sure there was only 42 generations instead of having to tell Matthew to just leave out a few and hope no one notices.

Second,Matthew's count is wrong.Mt 1:1 does not even contain the 42 generations he is striving for.It has 41.Count them yourself.It's a pretty safe bet that if God were dictating Scripture to Matthew as so many literalists believe that He would get the count right.


Now,this thread is not a bash the Bible thread.Nor is it a bash the literalists thread.It is simply a thread bringing up the obvious problems of an inerreant Bible in light of the issues of Mt 1:1. If the ability to discuss this without insults,judgements on the Christianity of others,or other attacks is beyond anyone,then please,let the adults discuss this.Adults who have the capacity to discuss the subject at hand without resorting to attacks as a substitute for anything substantive to say on the issue.

So how is Matthew without error in light of these issues?
Based on your post, I've decided to become an atheist
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:07 AM
 
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Based on your post, I've decided to become an atheist

That would be up to you.Many Christians do not believe in an inerrant Bible without any harm to their faith,including me.

Are you suggesting ignoring facts and hiding the truth is a prerequisite for being a conservative Bible believing Christian?
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Based on your post, I've decided to become an atheist
Or perhaps you could just accept that men wrote the bible and men are fallible.

Does it really bother you that much? Does it negate your faith because men got the minor details wrong?

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Old 07-30-2010, 11:10 AM
 
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This thread was thought of while reading a post talking about secret codes within the genealogy of Jesus.The subject seemed to deserve more than just a buried post in another thread.

The issue is this.The genealogy in Matthew is wrong.On 2 accounts.

First,it leaves out direct descendants from Abraham to Jesus.Compare Mt 1:1 to 1 Chron 3:10-16.Matthew leaves entire generations of direct father to son descendants out while trying to achieve a mystical number of 42 generations to Jesus.Specifically,start comparing Mt 1:9 with 1 Chron 3:11. 3 generations are skipped,apparently intentionally.So why would God need to dictate to Matthew to leave out 3 generations to get the magical 42 generations?He could have made sure there was only 42 generations instead of having to tell Matthew to just leave out a few and hope no one notices.

Second,Matthew's count is wrong.Mt 1:1 does not even contain the 42 generations he is striving for.It has 41.Count them yourself.It's a pretty safe bet that if God were dictating Scripture to Matthew as so many literalists believe that He would get the count right.


Now,this thread is not a bash the Bible thread.Nor is it a bash the literalists thread.It is simply a thread bringing up the obvious problems of an inerreant Bible in light of the issues of Mt 1:1. If the ability to discuss this without insults,judgements on the Christianity of others,or other personal attacks and namecalling is beyond anyone,then please,let the adults discuss this.Adults who have the capacity to discuss the subject at hand without resorting to attacks as a substitute for having anything substantive to say on the issue.

So how is Matthew without error in light of these issues?
I doubt Matthew was holding a copy of his writings and Chronicles in order to realize his mistake... We have an advantage...

Also, who is to say that our OT isn't messed up too....
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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That would be up to you.Many Christians do not believe in an inerrant Bible without any harm to their faith,including me.

Are you suggesting ignoring facts and hiding the truth is a prerequisite for being a conservative Bible believing Christian?


It........was...........a..........joke.


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Or perhaps you could just accept that men wrote the bible and men are fallible.

Does it really bother you that much? Does it negate your faith because men got the minor details wrong?


Next time I'll use a smilie
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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This thread was thought of while reading a post talking about secret codes within the genealogy of Jesus.The subject seemed to deserve more than just a buried post in another thread.

The issue is this.The genealogy in Matthew is wrong.On 2 accounts.

First,it leaves out direct descendants from Abraham to Jesus.Compare Mt 1:1 to 1 Chron 3:10-16.Matthew leaves entire generations of direct father to son descendants out while trying to achieve a mystical number of 42 generations to Jesus.Specifically,start comparing Mt 1:9 with 1 Chron 3:11. 3 generations are skipped,apparently intentionally.So why would God need to dictate to Matthew to leave out 3 generations to get the magical 42 generations?He could have made sure there was only 42 generations instead of having to tell Matthew to just leave out a few and hope no one notices.

Second,Matthew's count is wrong.Mt 1:1 does not even contain the 42 generations he is striving for.It has 41.Count them yourself.It's a pretty safe bet that if God were dictating Scripture to Matthew as so many literalists believe that He would get the count right.


Now,this thread is not a bash the Bible thread.Nor is it a bash the literalists thread.It is simply a thread bringing up the obvious problems of an inerreant Bible in light of the issues of Mt 1:1. If the ability to discuss this without insults,judgements on the Christianity of others,or other personal attacks and namecalling is beyond anyone,then please,let the adults discuss this.Adults who have the capacity to discuss the subject at hand without resorting to attacks as a substitute for having anything substantive to say on the issue.

So how is Matthew without error in light of these issues?
Matthew, like the rest of the bible, isn't without error or contradictions...in fact, most of Matthew was taken directly from Mark...so was Luke. This is a known FACT throughout the schollarly world.

The bible is by no means inerrant (it was written by men) and that FACT has been proven time and time again....but some of the sheeple just won't hear of it no matter how much evidence is presented to the contrary...very sad...because we could be accomplishing so many wonderful things in this world if we just had the slightest bit of unity.
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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That would be up to you.Many Christians do not believe in an inerrant Bible without any harm to their faith,including me.

Are you suggesting ignoring facts and hiding the truth is a prerequisite for being a conservative Bible believing Christian?
Luther thought it was OK to lie and fudge the facts...what's good for the goose is good for the gander I guess...
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:21 AM
 
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It........was...........a..........joke.





Next time I'll use a smilie
Oh,I understood it you weren't serious,so save your head smacking response.
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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Oh,I understood it you weren't serious,so save your head smacking response.
It was a joke? Hmmmm... I don't think the OP meant to disprove Christianity as a whole but to wake the Bibleans into reality...
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