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Old 08-03-2010, 10:45 PM
 
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For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.


Did God sit down and count the cost for the salvation of the world?

After He laid the foundation, Jesus Christ, for that salvation is He unable to finish what He started?

According to those who believe in eternal torment and annihilation He is unable.

Eternal torment and annihilation are mocking God, saying He began to build, and was not able to finish.
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Old 08-03-2010, 10:50 PM
 
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For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.


Did God sit down and count the cost for the salvation of the world?

After He laid the foundation, Jesus Christ, for that salvation is He unable to finish what He started?

According to those who believe in eternal torment and annihilation He is unable.

Eternal torment and annihilation are mocking God, saying He began to build, and was not able to finish.
Very profound analogy by "The Christ"...definitely a poser pneuma......thanks!
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Old 08-04-2010, 03:03 AM
 
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For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.


Did God sit down and count the cost for the salvation of the world?

After He laid the foundation, Jesus Christ, for that salvation is He unable to finish what He started?

According to those who believe in eternal torment and annihilation He is unable.

Eternal torment and annihilation are mocking God, saying He began to build, and was not able to finish.
Excellent observation and illustration.
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Old 08-04-2010, 06:47 AM
 
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Very profound analogy by "The Christ"...definitely a poser pneuma......thanks!
You are welcome, hopefully it will cause others to think about just what it is they beleive
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Old 08-04-2010, 07:10 AM
 
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For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.


Did God sit down and count the cost for the salvation of the world?

After He laid the foundation, Jesus Christ, for that salvation is He unable to finish what He started?

According to those who believe in eternal torment and annihilation He is unable.

Eternal torment and annihilation are mocking God, saying He began to build, and was not able to finish.
But the foundation has to be laid first.

1 Corinthians 3:10-23 - Passage*Lookup - King James Version - BibleGateway.com

So if UR is true, why would this be written at all if everyone has the Spirit if Christ has redeemed everyone?

Romans 8:9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

So how does one receive the promise of the Spirit?

Ephesians 1:11-15 - Passage*Lookup - King James Version - BibleGateway.com

Galatians 3:14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. .....26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

So once that foundation has been laid by believing in Jesus Christ: then Jesus Whom began a good work in them, shall finish it to His glory.

Because judgment will fall on the House of God first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ), that is why there is a rapture before the great tribulation as many wayward believers will be left behind but as proof of Jesus finishing His work in those left behind is the foolish virgins will have oil for their lamps and will be shining as the prodigal sons will be returning because they are still sons albeit there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for missing out on the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

So God did consider the cost of even starting to save anyone that believes because He knew some will fall away from the faith because of deceptions within the churches or the world like the evolution theory and some will fall away from following Him by sowing to the flesh in reaping corruption.

Philippians 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: .... 9And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

But while the door is still open, the call to come to Jesus at that throne of grace for help is still being given out for every believer that name the name of Christ to depart from iniquity to obtain that eternal glory of being that vessel unto honour in God's House that comes with our salvation which is in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 2:10-26 - Passage*Lookup - King James Version - BibleGateway.com

And if judgment falls on the House of God that have fallen away to receive the damnation of being that vessel unto dishonour in God's House, what will happen to those that believe not the Gospel of grace at all?

1 Peter 4:17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Do procrastinating sinners still need any more promptings to call on Him now to be saved or will His appearing at the pre tribulational rapture event be the wake up call before World War 3 breaks out...which by then believers, new ones as well as the restored wayward ones, will have to die for their faith in Him.

Revelation 14:13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead whichdie in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
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Old 08-04-2010, 08:37 AM
 
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Wow, so many errors in your post I don't know were to start.

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But the foundation has to be laid first.


Jesus Christ is the foundation



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So if UR is true, why would this be written at all if everyone has the Spirit if Christ has redeemed everyone?

Romans 8:9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

So how does one receive the promise of the Spirit?


after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Every knee shall bow and confess Jesus Christ is Lord, and ALL who confess Jesus are in the Father and the Father in them.






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Galatians 3:14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. .....26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

So once that foundation has been laid by believing in Jesus Christ: then Jesus Whom began a good work in them, shall finish it to His glory.


The foundation is NOT believing in Jesus Christ the foundation IS Jesus Christ

For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4God forbid:


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Because judgment will fall on the House of God first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ), that is why there is a rapture before the great tribulation as many wayward believers will be left behind but as proof of Jesus finishing His work in those left behind is the foolish virgins will have oil for their lamps and will be shining as the prodigal sons will be returning because they are still sons albeit there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for missing out on the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.


No such thing a rapture, but you are correct Judgment will fall on the house of God first.

Look up the word Judgment, tis the same word that is used for Gods judgment of the sinner for there is no difference.



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So God did consider the cost of even starting to save anyone that believes because He knew some will fall away from the faith because of deceptions within the churches or the world like the evolution theory and some will fall away from following Him by sowing to the flesh in reaping corruption.


So God considered the cost of the salvation of the world, sent Jesus Christ for exactly that purpose, laid the foundation, yet was unable to finish what He started.

That is simply a mockery of God.

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Philippians 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: .... 9And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

But while the door is still open, the call to come to Jesus at that throne of grace for help is still being given out for every believer that name the name of Christ to depart from iniquity to obtain that eternal glory of being that vessel unto honour in God's House that comes with our salvation which is in Christ Jesus.


Read Rev. 22 the gates of the city are NEVER closed



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And if judgment falls on the House of God that have fallen away to receive the damnation of being that vessel unto dishonour in God's House, what will happen to those that believe not the Gospel of grace at all?

1 Peter 4:17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.


The SAME judgment on the house of God falls on those who do not believe, tis the judgments of God that causes men to believe.

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Do procrastinating sinners still need any more promptings to call on Him now to be saved or will His appearing at the pre tribulational rapture event be the wake up call before World War 3 breaks out...which by then believers, new ones as well as the restored wayward ones, will have to die for their faith in Him.

Revelation 14:13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead whichdie in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.


Again no such thing a rapture
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:22 PM
 
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The day God misses the mark we all need to be worried.
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:53 PM
 
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For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.


Did God sit down and count the cost for the salvation of the world?

After He laid the foundation, Jesus Christ, for that salvation is He unable to finish what He started?

According to those who believe in eternal torment and annihilation He is unable.

Eternal torment and annihilation are mocking God, saying He began to build, and was not able to finish.
Im not following....how does believing that hell exists saying God is not able?
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:02 PM
 
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For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it? 29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him, 30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Did God sit down and count the cost for the salvation of the world?
After He laid the foundation, Jesus Christ, for that salvation is He unable to finish what He started?
According to those who believe in eternal torment and annihilation He is unable.
Eternal torment and annihilation are mocking God, saying He began to build, and was not able to finish.
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Wow, so many errors in your post I don't know were to start.
Jesus Christ is the foundation
after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
Every knee shall bow and confess Jesus Christ is Lord, and ALL who confess Jesus are in the Father and the Father in them.
The foundation is NOT believing in Jesus Christ the foundation IS Jesus Christ
For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4God forbid:

So God considered the cost of the salvation of the world, sent Jesus Christ for exactly that purpose, laid the foundation, yet was unable to finish what He started.
That is simply a mockery of God.
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Im not following....how does believing that hell exists saying God is not able?
You must have missed his other post it should make things clear to you so I posted it and bolded the parts that answer your questions.
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:07 PM
 
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You must have missed his other post it should make things clear to you so I posted it and bolded the parts that answer your questions.
Jesus accomplished exactly what he came for. What do you think he didnt accomplish?
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