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Old 08-11-2010, 08:28 AM
 
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Well.... God does permit a sinner that loves the creature more than the Creator to become a homosexual.

Romans 1:21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

It is because of the sin of loving the creature more than the Creator is how a sinner becomes a homosexual.

2 Timothy 3: 13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

In a society that creates imaginary idols out of cartoons and comics, is not the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life seen in the media that one could love the creature more than the Creator?

I really believe the underlying issue as to why Sodom and Gomorrha got burned was because of the way those cities developed as a society that they went beyond the point of no return and reaped corruption. Granted, the cities were judged for other reasons, but the incident of the mob towards the two angels proves how rebuking the mob would not do any good, because it was a self serving covetous mob engineered by society.

2 Peter 2:13And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

Can America avoid this description?

So while people errantly say God made the homosexuals the way they are, I would have to say no.. society made the homosexuals the way they are as God permitted this to occur when they love the creature more than the Creator.

 
Old 08-11-2010, 08:43 AM
 
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That is provided that Homosexuality is wrong in the first place which the bible says nothing about directly, it is all religiously inferred.
 
Old 08-11-2010, 10:29 AM
 
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That is provided that Homosexuality is wrong in the first place which the bible says nothing about directly, it is all religiously inferred.
I do not see how much more direct it can go. If homosexuality is the corruption of when a sinner loves the creature more than the Creator, then how else can you read this below?

Romans 1:Romans 1:21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Consider this other reference:

1 Corinthians 6: 8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Effeminate is an offensive term used to describe a man whose behavior, appearance, or speech is considered to be similar to that traditionally associated with women or girls.

Now if that be a judgment on a believer as not inheritting the kingdom of God, how far behind is homosexuality?

Seems it should be obvious since stealing is the direct result of covetting thy neighbor's goods.... and so....

May the Lord grant you wisdom in the reading of His words.
 
Old 08-11-2010, 10:30 AM
 
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That is provided that Homosexuality is wrong in the first place which the bible says nothing about directly, it is all religiously inferred.
Inferred? Kinda.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
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Old 08-11-2010, 10:34 AM
 
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I do not see how much more direct it can go.

You approach the passage already believing homosexuality is wrong, you have not been taught it was wrong through that passage.
 
Old 08-11-2010, 10:34 AM
 
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Someday, I hope, the world will be rid of this horrible prejudice against homosexuals. If God created everything, then he created homosexuality. You can't choose your sexual preference. Why would God create a whole group of people to be tormented by their own sexuality forever? If there is one thing that upsets me in this world - it is this kind of hatred and intolerance. I wish that everyone who thinks it is so wrong and that it is a choice could walk a mile in someone else's shoes. I think they could learn a lot. When will people learn that we are all the same and that love is the most beautiful, pure, amazing thing in the world.
 
Old 08-11-2010, 10:37 AM
 
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Inferred? Kinda.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
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That is a selective use of a translation rather than an approach to the reality of homosexuality.

A male prostitute is not inherantly a homosexual and vice versa, so yes, "homosexuality" is completely religiously inferred.
 
Old 08-11-2010, 10:41 AM
 
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This scripture in Rom. proves that homosexuality is against God`s plan and obviously these verses are also talking about other forms of sin. This is not the only scripture that shows this but people who want to live as a homosexual will deny what scripture says so they can somehow justify their life to God. The fact is though that all of us will have to stand before God and give an account. I`d rather fear what God says about sin and do what he says then to deny it.

So I say to those who choose a life that is contrary to scripture(no matter what it is), that is your choice to live how you want, but you can`t say that you are right with God when you deny His holiness and deny scripture.
 
Old 08-11-2010, 10:48 AM
 
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This scripture in Rom. proves that homosexuality is against God`s plan and obviously these verses are also talking about other forms of sin. This is not the only scripture that shows this but people who want to live as a homosexual will deny what scripture says so they can somehow justify their life to God. The fact is though that all of us will have to stand before God and give an account. I`d rather fear what God says about sin and do what he says then to deny it.

So I say to those who choose a life that is contrary to scripture(no matter what it is), that is your choice to live how you want, but you can`t say that you are right with God when you deny His holiness and deny scripture.

No, it doesn't prove that homosexuality is against God because it speaks of how people treat one another and see one another in their hearts. All your doing is parroting more religious nonsense.
 
Old 08-11-2010, 10:51 AM
 
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Phazelwood, Whatever. It`s like I said, you are allowed to your choices but in the end, it`s God that you will have to answer to.
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