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You obviously have no idea what an age is ... Paul said that there were ages before the age he was in, and ages(plural) that would come after the age he was in ... But you are saying there are only two ages, the age we are in now and the age to come.
Multiple ages to come after the time of Christ and the apostles, proof that there was more than one age to come at the time of Christ ...
Eph 2:7
That in the ages(plural) to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
And multiple ages which had already transpired before the time of Christ and the apostles ...
Eph 3:5
Which in other ages(plural) was not made known to the sons of men, as it is now revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit
The scriptures refute you assertions yet again Finn ...
Its funny that you guys are not aware of the fact that there were multiple ages to follow the times of Christ and the apostles according to the scriptures ...
Study up, and read Bible in context. Hint: KJV says "neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
What do you think that means? What do you think "the next" means? Do you really think Jesus meant to say, that the sin is not forgiven in this age, or the next age, but in the 3rd or 4th age it would be forgiven. Don't you think he would have said that if he meant it?
What you are trying to pull here, may well be the biggest reach I have ever seen.
Remember... "I don't know why you would not believe everything that was written about what Christ said ... I do. "
What is the greek words for " believe everything" πιστεύω πᾶς
Mark 10:15
I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."
Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
John 4:48
"Unless you people see miraculous signs and wonders," Jesus told him, "you willnever believe."
Galatians 4:30
But what does the Scripture say? "Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son willnever share in the inheritance with the free woman's son."
Revelation 18:23
The light of a lamp willnever shine in you again. The voice of bridegroom and bride willnever be heard in you again.
Mar 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
The meaning is not NEVER. It is not enter in. It is like this. If your still in the water your not going to get dry. If you get out of the water then you can get dry. It doesn't mean that if your currently in the water that you will NEVER ever be dry again. It simply means as long as your in that water your not dry.
There is a whole bunch of verses that people are using to quote support for Eternal torment by misinterpreting verses such as Mar 10:15 in this manner.
Just trying to help those wanting to understand that.
Again we see the same misunderstanding in John 4:48 for it says:
Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
So again, here the understanding is NOT that you will NEVER ever believe but so long as your looking for signs presently you will NOT believe. It doesn't not mean that you will NEVER Ever believe. For once you quit looking for signs then you can begin to believe. Just like my water analogy earlier. If your still in the water then your wet, it doesn't mean you will never be dry. It just means you need to get out of the water in order to get dry.
Study up, and read Bible in context. Hint: KJV says "neither in this world, neither in the world to come."
What do you think that means? What do you think "the next" means? Do you really think Jesus meant to say, that the sin is not forgiven in this age, or the next age, but in the 3rd or 4th age it would be forgiven. Don't you think he would have said that if he meant it?
What you are trying to pull here, may well be the biggest reach I have ever seen.
Both words for world there mean age. That means that your not going to be forgiven in this age (present age) and in the next age (the Sabbath age - day 7 - 1000 year reign). But after that is another age (the 8th day - same day that male children are symbolistically circumcised for when all children shall be consecrated to their Father in Heaven).
He said that "not in this age or the age to come" means NEVER.
Yes, Jesus meant NEVER when he said it will not be forgiven, not in this age/world, or next age/world.
"It will not be forgiven" means it will not be forgiven. Simple. If he meant it will be forgiven in the 4th age, then he would have said it won't be forgiven until the 4th age. But he didn't say that.
Both words for world there mean age. That means that your not going to be forgiven in this age (present age) and in the next age (the Sabbath age - day 7 - 1000 year reign). But after that is another age (the 8th day - same day that male children are symbolistically circumcised for when all children shall be consecrated to their Father in Heaven).
If that is what he meant, then it sure is strange he didn't say so. He said IT WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN. Period.
I agree with most of what you are saying, but your last sentence is subject to further questioning and analysis, and from what we have analyzed thus far, as in the Age to Come, since it is post SC and ROTD, then, according to the prophets and Christ, it is an eternal age.
Sciotamicks, the phrase "age to come" is not actually found in the scritpures ...
Mat 12:32
And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it shall be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.
This is a better translation.
"That which is coming" is translated from the Greek term "mellonti", which literally means the one "immediately to follow" ...
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The word does not imply an age that is far in the future after other ages, but one that is immediately impending, the next age, the age we are now in ...
But also there is only 2 ages from the human existance stand point..the age in which they are living which is limited to years, then the age that existes after death which is timeless.
Hebrews 9:27
Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,....
John 5:29 and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.
"to be condemned" are not graphed into the believers
Romans 2:8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
Yes, Jesus meant NEVER when he said it will not be forgiven, not in this age/world, or next age/world.
"It will not be forgiven" means it will not be forgiven. Simple. If he meant it will be forgiven in the 4th age, then he would have said it won't be forgiven until the 4th age. But he didn't say that.
It is not complicated.
Think about it for a minute. If it meant never then why have to say it "twice" (actually three times). It doesn't mean NEVER. It only means NOT.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Now it if mean NEVER then why not stop there and just say it shall ".. it shall NEVER be forgiven him."? Why would it have to go on and say neither in this world or the world to come?
I agree with most of what you are saying, but your last sentence is subject to further questioning and analysis, and from what we have analyzed thus far, as in the Age to Come, since it is post SC and ROTD, then, according to the prophets and Christ, it is an eternal age.
I disagree. There are many ages. Pertaining to the Jews the last age was the "age to come" and it was perpetual. However, it was not eternal. Eternal has several meanings. None of which indicate an actual tangible thing. Eternal always pertains to the person speaking. If I say "eternal" no one would take me seriously (at least I hope not) but then God says it and it may have a meaning of infinite since God is able to be infinite... but you see that there is something about an "age" in the Jewish mind that differs from ours.
IMO some insights into Hebraisms are necessary when dealing with these kinds of phrases and many others used in the NT.
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