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Just when I thought the UR vs ET debate was drawing everyones attention away from Catholic bashing,
I now find the Catholics bashing each other.
Oak, the truth is the more dangerous enemy is within the Church. The damage they can do inside, the rot they advertise as Catholicism, is way worse than anything a outsider can conjure up.
Oak, the truth is the more dangerous enemy is within the Church. The damage they can do inside, the rot they advertise as Catholicism, is way worse than anything a outsider can conjure up.
Despite the;
divisions
culture
politics
agendas
power plays
etc...
I have faith in the "rock".
It's been with us over 2,000 years in many forms.
And the Holy Spirit is in charge
Sometimes the Paraclete will give His kids enough rope to hang themselves.
Despite the;
divisions
culture
politics
agendas
power plays
etc...
I have faith in the "rock".
It's been with us over 2,000 years in many forms.
And the Holy Spirit is in charge
Sometimes the Paraclete will give His kids enough rope to hang themselves.
You are absolutely right. The Church will prevail just as Jesus said it will. However, it will survive because the Holy Spirit calls certain folks to defend the faith. How does the saying go, When good men do nothing, evil prevails. Something like that.
You are absolutely right. The Church will prevail just as Jesus said it will. However, it will survive because the Holy Spirit calls certain folks to defend the faith. How does the saying go, When good men do nothing, evil prevails. Something like that.
Thanks for that important reminder, juj.
Perhaps an analogy will help here:
We are not supposed to stop fighting evil simply because we already know who is going to win the "Final Battle."
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And that's where the problem begins. Well meaning and faithful people who are so certain in their belief, they claim all dissenters to be evil.
I agree, people who are so certain in their belief that "they claim all dissenters to be evil" are a real problem in the Church. So are people like Ted.
I haven't seen any of the former around at C-D, but unfortunately, Ted is around quite a lot.
I'm afraid you are wrong, I am a cradle Catholic , I was baptised here Untitled
And now attend a R.C. church in the diocese of Arlington Va., thankfully my parish does not have diocese priests who are under the control of one of the most conservative bishops in the country, many of the churches in my diocese do not allow girl altar servers, many however offer the Latin Mass, it is my understanding is that the bishop is constantly sending his priests for training in the Latin Mass.
But it is funny you mentioned Baptists, those Baptists that convert to Catholicism are usually some of the most neo-con Catholics on the planet.
Neo-con Catholics and Baptist have the same mindset so it is a easy jump in that respect, they just change the shingle hanging outside their door.
I think our Church is being unduly influenced by Protestant converts be they Baptist or other Protestants such as Scott Hahn and his wife, it seems like every conservative Catholic has at least one book sitting on their shelve by him, it usually sits on the shelve next to the book by John Paul II" Theology of The Body"
If I am not mistaken I believe some of the Catholics here that trash me are converts.
My Dad was raised Protestant, but before his conversion he wasn't of any religion. The only things that might remain from his Protestant background, that don't fit Catholicism, is maybe a harsh view of justice and a certain disdain for people on welfare.
Still I think there is something potentially cliquish and unfair in bashing converts like this. Converts often have a real zeal and do good stuff. And not just as "right-wing Neocon" ways either. Dorothy Day was a convert and she was about as far from a Right-winger as you can get. (She was fairly orthodox on some theological issues, and anti-abortion, but she was like an anarcho-socialist and pacifist.) I'm not really sure of her politics, but I don't think jazz musician Mary Lou Williams was exactly a Right-winger and I think she might have been Baptist before she became Catholic. Cardinal Newman, for his era, was pretty moderate.
Granted to me a view of Catholicism as a culture of cradle-Catholics is not interesting. I'm a "cradle-Catholic" but I find many cradle-Catholics to be shallow, snobby, and sometimes even a bit racist. I remember the first years in college the Newman Club had lots of young people talking about drinking, getting laid, and generally ignoring Catholics on campus that didn't "fit their world." (White, middle-class, from the same state) At the end of my college days they did get better, the last year there were black kids and kids from different backgrounds, but still the initial condition was not that unusual in what I've found in cradle-Catholic groups.
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