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Old 08-27-2010, 09:49 PM
 
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You are all moot in that saints that have been "sainted via mans standards" regardless of how great are well......nice people and people who were believers thereby saints in the eyes of God. All believers are saints and above the anglels according to scripture. Religion is so wacked out it makes me sick. Leave religion before you become religious yikes!
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Old 08-27-2010, 09:52 PM
 
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Yet he describes himself as "the worst of sinners"? Why do you suppose that is? (1 Tim 1:15-16)
...We often think of Paul as being the chief of believers rather than the chief of sinners.

Also, sciota said that not all are in, or will be, in Christ. That just isn't right:

Act 17:27 to seek the Lord, if perhaps they did feel after Him and find, --though, indeed, He is not far from each one of us,
Act 17:28 for in Him we live, and move, and are; as also certain of your poets have said: For of Him also we are offspring.

and also

Col 1:16 because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,

Col 1:17 and himself is before all, and the all things in him have consisted.

Col 1:19 because in him it did please all the fulness to tabernacle,

Col 3:11 where there is not Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, foreigner, Scythian, servant, freeman--but the all and in all--Christ.

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Old 08-27-2010, 10:00 PM
 
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Primitive, brutal, savage, ferocious, violent, twisted, greedy, barbaric ... All the above ... What ever a man believes in his own heart, so is he ...
Are you saying that all ETer's are Primitive, brutal, savage, ferocious, violent, twisted, greedy, barbaric?

Or, are you saying that only some ETer's are Primitive, brutal, savage, ferocious, violent, twisted, greedy, barbaric?

Just wanted to clarify this. I want to make sure so I can be on the lookout for them, thanks...
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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So the living... though dead will live. So all NON-believers (dead) become believers (living).. Just like Saul/Paul did.

It's not moot.
If they become believers...yes, they live.
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Wa
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Also, sciota said that not all are in, or will be, in Christ. That just isn't right:

Act 17:27 to seek the Lord, if perhaps they did feel after Him and find, --though, indeed, He is not far from each one of us,
Act 17:28 for in Him we live, and move, and are; as also certain of your poets have said: For of Him also we are offspring.
Seek the Lord......and in Him...we live.

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Col 1:16 because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,

Col 1:17 and himself is before all, and the all things in him have consisted.

Col 1:19 because in him it did please all the fulness to tabernacle,

Col 3:11 where there is not Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, foreigner, Scythian, servant, freeman--but the all and in all--Christ.

All and all in Christ......your point is.....confirming mine. Thanks.
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Sciotamicks,

Is there a reason you haven't answered my post #149 on page 15?

It is just basically saying you become like your God. This was the rationale in English speaking lands (the last of Europe to enact such measures) for the statute of de heretico comburendo in 1401. People were tortured and burned at the stake for over 200 years. One proof that they were heretics was even that they had some of the Bible in their own language.

In the post cited above that you ignored I began with how God's purpose it to make us in His image and likeness. If God could forgive the wicked their sins He'd have no more reason to torture them. If God was ever satisfied that they'd sufffered in the fire enough He's stop torturing them. So God is presented as never forgiving and never being satisfied. He is The Master Torturer who all the time whispers, "I love you. I love you," into the ears of His unwilling victims. This means you too must become like Him. This is what the Creator is making as He forms you. "Become, then, imitators of God, as beloved children..." (Eph 5:1)

(Maybe you won't be able to deal with this "shorter" form either. I have even more I could add to the longer version on page 15 in this thread.)
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:29 PM
 
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Seek the Lord......and in Him...we live.



All and all in Christ......your point is.....confirming mine. Thanks.
My point was that all things are IN CHRIST NOW from creation. All things CONSIST in Christ during their existence and all things are subjected NOW to Christ. All things will, in the end, be subject back to God who subjected them to Christ, that God may be all in all.

1Co 15:28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.

Now, seeing that God will in the end be the all in all, He is not the God of the dead but of the living. All will, in the end, live to God. There is no other way around it my friend. Believe it.

May I ask why you have such little faith in God?
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:32 PM
 
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Cynicism reveals itself through skepticism; universal doubt, resembling the actions of a snarling dog, unlike the one who eats bread crumbs from beneath the table, having the faith and love of Christ.
God spelled backwards is dog, but not all who teach are doing it entirely for the Lord. Perhaps, the protective instincts come from unrealized fear, and not from a selfless act.
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Old 08-27-2010, 10:57 PM
 
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Let's settle this eisegetical nonsense.
Let the readers of the forum decide whether this really means God WILL have all men come to salvation and the knowledge of the truth shall we?

1 Timothy 2:4 ὃς πάντας ἀνθρώπους θέλει σωθῆναι καὶ εἰς ἐπίγνωσιν ἀληθείας ἐλθεῖν.
who desires all people to be saved and come to full knowledge of the truth.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular


Matthew 16:24 τότε ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν τοῖς μαθηταῖς αὐτοῦ εἴ τις θέλει ὀπίσω μου ἐλθεῖν, ἀπαρνησάσθω ἑαυτὸν καὶ ἀράτω τὸν σταυρὸν αὐτοῦ καὶ ἀκολουθείτω μοι.
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone desires to come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Matthew 27:43 πέποιθεν ἐπὶ τὸν θεόν, ῥυσάσθω νῦν εἰ θέλει αὐτόν εἶπεν γὰρ ὅτι θεοῦ εἰμι υἱός.
He trusts in God. Let God deliver him now, if he wants him; for he said, 'I am the Son of God.'"
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Mark 8:34 καὶ προσκαλεσάμενος τὸν ὄχλον σὺν τοῖς μαθηταῖς αὐτοῦ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς εἴ τις θέλει ὀπίσω μου ἐλθεῖν / ἀκολουθεῖν, ἀπαρνησάσθω ἑαυτὸν καὶ ἀράτω τὸν σταυρὸν αὐτοῦ καὶ ἀκολουθείτω μοι.
He called the multitude to himself with his disciples, and said to them, "Whoever wants to come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Mark 9:35 καὶ καθίσας ἐφώνησεν τοὺς δώδεκα καὶ λέγει αὐτοῖς εἴ τις θέλει πρῶτος εἶναι, ἔσται πάντων ἔσχατος καὶ πάντων διάκονος.
He sat down, and called the twelve; and he said to them, "If any man wants to be first, he shall be last of all, and servant of all."
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Luke 5:39 [καὶ] οὐδεὶς πιὼν παλαιὸν θέλει νέον λέγει γάρ ὁ παλαιὸς χρηστός ἐστιν.
No man having drunk old wine immediately desires new, for he says, 'The old is better.'"
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Luke 9:23 ἔλεγεν δὲ πρὸς πάντας εἴ τις θέλει ὀπίσω μου ἔρχεσθαι ἀρνησάσθω ἑαυτὸν καὶ ἀράτω τὸν σταυρὸν αὐτοῦ καθ' ἡμέραν καὶ ἀκολουθείτω μοι.
He said to all, "If anyone desires to come after me, let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Luke 13:31 ἐν αὐτῇ τῇ ὥρᾳ προσῆλθάν τινες Φαρισαῖοι λέγοντες αὐτῷ ἔξελθε καὶ πορεύου ἐντεῦθεν ὅτι Ἡρῴδης θέλει σε ἀποκτεῖναι.
On that same day, some Pharisees came, saying to him, "Get out of here, and go away, for Herod wants to kill you."
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

John 3:8 τὸ πνεῦμα ὅπου θέλει πνεῖ καὶ τὴν φωνὴν αὐτοῦ ἀκούεις, ἀλλ' οὐκ οἶδας πόθεν ἔρχεται καὶ ποῦ ὑπάγει οὕτως ἐστὶν πᾶς ὁ γεγεννημένος ἐκ τοῦ πνεύματος.
The wind blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don't know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

John 5:21 ὥσπερ γὰρ ὁ πατὴρ ἐγείρει τοὺς νεκροὺς καὶ ζῳοποιεῖ, οὕτως καὶ ὁ υἱὸς οὓς θέλει ζῳοποιεῖ.
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom he desires.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Acts 2:12 ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο / διηπόρουν, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
They were all amazed, and were perplexed, saying one to another, "What does this mean?"
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Acts 17:20 ξενίζοντα γάρ τινα εἰσφέρεις εἰς τὰς ἀκοὰς ἡμῶν βουλόμεθα οὖν γνῶναι τίνα θέλει ταῦτα εἶναι.
For you bring certain strange things to our ears. We want to know therefore what these things mean."
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Romans 9:18 ἄρα οὖν ὃν θέλει ἐλεεῖ ὃν δὲ θέλει σκληρύνει.
So then, he has mercy on whom he desires, and he hardens whom he desires.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Romans 9:18 ἄρα οὖν ὃν θέλει ἐλεεῖ ὃν δὲ θέλει σκληρύνει.
So then, he has mercy on whom he desires, and he hardens whom he desires.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

1 Corinthians 7:36 Εἰ δέ τις ἀσχημονεῖν ἐπὶ τὴν παρθένον αὐτοῦ νομίζει, ἐὰν ᾖ ὑπέρακμος καὶ οὕτως ὀφείλει γίνεσθαι, ὃ θέλει ποιείτω οὐχ ἁμαρτάνει, γαμείτωσαν.
But if any man thinks that he is behaving inappropriately toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of her age, and if need so requires, let him do what he desires. He doesn't sin. Let them marry.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

1 Corinthians 7:39 Γυνὴ δέδεται ἐφ' ὅσον χρόνον ζῇ ὁ ἀνὴρ αὐτῆς ἐὰν δὲ κοιμηθῇ ὁ ἀνήρ, ἐλευθέρα ἐστὶν ᾧ θέλει γαμηθῆναι μόνον ἐν κυρίῳ.
A wife is bound by law for as long as her husband lives; but if the husband is dead, she is free to be married to whoever she desires, only in the Lord.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

2 Thessalonians 3:10 καὶ γὰρ ὅτε ἦμεν πρὸς ὑμᾶς, τοῦτο παρηγγέλλομεν ὑμῖν ὅτι, εἴ τις οὐ θέλει ἐργάζεσθαι μηδὲ ἐσθιέτω.
For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: "If anyone will not work, neither let him eat."
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Revelation 2:21 καὶ ἔδωκα αὐτῇ χρόνον ἵνα μετανοήσῃ καὶ οὐ θέλει μετανοῆσαι ἐκ τῆς πορνείας αὐτῆς.
I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

Revelation 11:5 καὶ εἴ τις αὐτοὺς θέλει ἀδικῆσαι πῦρ ἐκπορεύεται ἐκ τοῦ στόματος αὐτῶν καὶ κατεσθίει τοὺς ἐχθροὺς αὐτῶν καὶ εἴ τις θελήσῃ αὐτοὺς ἀδικῆσαι, οὕτως δεῖ αὐτὸν ἀποκτανθῆναι.
If anyone desires to harm them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. If anyone desires to harm them, he must be killed in this way.
Verb: Third Person Present Active Indicative Singular

It appears all you universalists have got it all wrong.

Bye Bye universalist paradigm of 1 Tim 2:4.

I rest my case, once again.

But there is more...as we will see in this thread.
um, hi every1. been waitn to interject sns im new to all these thins. whats a universalist? why yall so mad?
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Old 08-27-2010, 11:18 PM
 
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um, hi every1. been waitn to interject sns im new to all these thins. whats a universalist? why yall so mad?
...Welcome to the forum askmeaftrdrk!
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