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Old 08-21-2010, 03:58 PM
 
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that simply tries to deny God's existence.


I read this article online and I have paraphrased it as best as I could highlighting many of the outstanding points that it makes regarding the Big Bang Theory. It explains what the big bang theory is, and basically how scientists can't fully explain it.

The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe by scientists and supported by athiets to deny that God exists. Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an attempt to explain what happened during and after that moment. Hummm? Now this is where it gets tricky.

According to popular theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 14 billion years ago. What is a singularity and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, scientists don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of black holes. Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). Hummmmm?

These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? Scientists don't know. Why did it appear? Scientists argue that they don't know. Hummmmm?

After the universe's initial appearance, it apparently inflated (the "Big Bang"), expanded and cooled, going from very, very small and very, very hot, to the size and temperature of our current universe. It continues to expand and cool to this day and we are inside of it: incredible creatures living on a unique planet, circling a beautiful star clustered together with several hundred billion other stars in a galaxy soaring through the cosmos, all of which is inside of an expanding universe that began as an infinitesimal singularity which appeared out of nowhere for reasons unknown. Hummmm? Yet sudden initial appearance of the universe is what scientists call the Big Bang theory.

Now where does God fit in this Big Bang equation? For me, any discussion of the Big Bang theory would be incomplete without asking the question, what about God? This is because cosmogony (the study of the origin of the universe) is an area where science and theology meet. Creation was a supernatural event. Only an intelligent being/Spirit or God could have designed a universe that has some of the most complex life forms here on earth to the most well organized laws of physics, down to how even tiniest particles behave in the atom.

Here are some more detailed points to consider when talking about God being in the Big Bang equation.

* Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
* Advances in molecular biology have shown huge amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
* Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?
* The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?
* Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?
* This just can't be a coincidence because people of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more?
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:09 PM
 
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that simply tries to deny God's existence.


I read this article online and I have paraphrased it as best as I could highlighting many of the outstanding points that it makes regarding the Big Bang Theory. It explains what the big bang theory is, and basically how scientists can't fully explain it.
First your paranoia has convinced you that it is a conspiracy. It is science, what is observed and what can be concluded from it. And remarkable science is a self correcting discipline, always questioning it findings, always seeking more accurate data and from that conclusions.

Then there are the anti-intellectuals, that when they have to say "I don't know" it is instantly translated into "god dunit", case closed.

It is a miracle we aren't still taking our sharpened stick to go hunt dinner with that level of closed minded failure to investigate the world we live in, for the primary reason "god dunit" answers nothing, proves nothing, and suppresses investigation
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:45 PM
 
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The list of things that "God did" has been shrinking for many years, and as science discovers how things work, that list has been shrinking more rapidly lately...One day soon that list will be very short indeed.
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:46 PM
 
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they continue to reject new evidence found and keep with the prevailing theory and evidence.
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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First your paranoia has convinced you that it is a conspiracy. It is science, what is observed and what can be concluded from it. And remarkable science is a self correcting discipline, always questioning it findings, always seeking more accurate data and from that conclusions.

Then there are the anti-intellectuals, that when they have to say "I don't know" it is instantly translated into "god dunit", case closed.

It is a miracle we aren't still taking our sharpened stick to go hunt dinner with that level of closed minded failure to investigate the world we live in, for the primary reason "god dunit" answers nothing, proves nothing, and suppresses investigation
What is observed ? Neither you or any scientists alive today was there in the beginning to see. What you call "remarkable science" cannot correct "itself" apart from divine intervention. When you observe the heavens, know that their very existence bears witness to the work (made without hands) of God. The Blessings of The Eternal One clear your mind to receive His Truth...
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Old 08-21-2010, 05:15 PM
 
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What is observed ? Neither you or any scientists alive today was there in the beginning to see. What you call "remarkable science" cannot correct "itself" apart from divine intervention. When you observe the heavens, know that their very existence bears witness to the work (made without hands) of God. The Blessings of The Eternal One clear your mind to receive His Truth...

Close your book of fables, open a science book, read Carl Sagan or Steven Hawkings, watch the Science Channel, or Discovery, or PBS but first you have to pull your head out of your bible and the real challenge, open it to reality open it to possibilities that don't come from a 3000+ year old book written when man thought the world was flat and the earth the center of the universe.

You no longer live in the stone age, it is time your mind caught up!
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:11 PM
 
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First of all. What Banged? How Big was the Bang? Who Banged it? How long did it Bang? What stopped it from Banging? Has it stopped Banging? Will it Bang again? When will it Bang again? And finally: Were people responsible for the Bang or did we just make it a worse Bang?

Those are the questions.....
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Old 08-21-2010, 07:15 PM
 
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that simply tries to deny God's existence.
The guy who first came up with the Big Bang Theory was Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, a Jesuit priest, and the scientific community of his day scoffed and even accused him of trying to force God into science.

Even Einstein initially scoffed. It was only after years of checking all the math and physics and astronomic evidence that the scientific community came around.

The Big Bang Theory in no way tries to deny God's existence. That's like saying the 9th Symphony is an attempt to deny the existence of Beethoven.

Good basic overview here: http://space.about.com/cs/astronomer...emaitrebio.htm

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Old 08-21-2010, 07:44 PM
 
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There is so much incorrect info here I hardly know where to start!

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that simply tries to deny God's existence.


I read this article online and I have paraphrased it as best as I could highlighting many of the outstanding points that it makes regarding the Big Bang Theory. It explains what the big bang theory is, and basically how scientists can't fully explain it.
Just because scientists can't fully explain the BB doesn't mean that your god is the answer.


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The Big Bang theory is an effort to explain what happened at the very beginning of our universe by scientists and supported by athiets to deny that God exists.
There are plenty of Christians who have no problem with the BB.

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Discoveries in astronomy and physics have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that our universe did in fact have a beginning. Prior to that moment there was nothing; during and after that moment there was something: our universe. The big bang theory is an attempt to explain what happened during and after that moment. Hummm? Now this is where it gets tricky.
Of course our universe had a beginning. Nobody says there was "nothing" before that. Scientists say "we don't know". Nothing tricky about that.

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According to popular theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 14 billion years ago. What is a singularity and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, scientists don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of black holes. Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). Hummmmm?
Nothing controversial here.

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These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? Scientists don't know. Why did it appear? Scientists argue that they don't know. Hummmmm?
Why is it a problem that scientists don't know? Would you prefer they made something up?

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After the universe's initial appearance, it apparently inflated (the "Big Bang"), expanded and cooled, going from very, very small and very, very hot, to the size and temperature of our current universe. It continues to expand and cool to this day and we are inside of it: incredible creatures living on a unique planet, circling a beautiful star clustered together with several hundred billion other stars in a galaxy soaring through the cosmos, all of which is inside of an expanding universe that began as an infinitesimal singularity which appeared out of nowhere for reasons unknown. Hummmm? Yet sudden initial appearance of the universe is what scientists call the Big Bang theory.
Yes. So?

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Now where does God fit in this Big Bang equation? For me, any discussion of the Big Bang theory would be incomplete without asking the question, what about God? This is because cosmogony (the study of the origin of the universe) is an area where science and theology meet. Creation was a supernatural event. Only an intelligent being/Spirit or God could have designed a universe that has some of the most complex life forms here on earth to the most well organized laws of physics, down to how even tiniest particles behave in the atom.
For many people adding God to the equation is an unnecessary embellishment. Why does creation have to be a supernatural event?
There are other explanations that you yourself could learn about.

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Here are some more detailed points to consider when talking about God being in the Big Bang equation.

* Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.
Agreed.

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* Advances in molecular biology have shown huge amounts of information encoded in each and every living cell, and molecular biologists have discovered thousands upon thousands of exquisitely designed machines at the molecular level. Information requires intelligence and design requires a designer.
The part about designed machines is easily disproven. Information does not require intelligence, and design does not require a designer. Unless of course, you are saying God designs snowflakes and other crystals.

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* Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?
None of this is true, and does not represent what scientists believe.

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* The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?
Who knows? This doesn't mean your God is the answer.

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* Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?
Not true. Philosophers do not agree to this. If there were an objective moral standard, all people everywhere would have identical concepts of right and wrong. You get your conscience from the culture you are raised in.

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* This just can't be a coincidence because people of every race, creed, color, and culture, both men and women, young and old, wise and foolish, from the educated to the ignorant, claim to have personally experienced something of the supernatural. So what are we supposed to do with these prodigious accounts of divine healing, prophetic revelation, answered prayer, and other miraculous phenomena? Ignorance and imagination may have played a part to be sure, but is there something more?
Again, not true. There are many people, myself included who have not experienced anything supernatural. The "prodigious accounts" you describe are anecdotal, nothing more.
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Old 08-21-2010, 07:54 PM
 
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What is observed ? Neither you or any scientists alive today was there in the beginning to see. What you call "remarkable science" cannot correct "itself" apart from divine intervention. When you observe the heavens, know that their very existence bears witness to the work (made without hands) of God. The Blessings of The Eternal One clear your mind to receive His Truth...
Which one? Lemme guess...the one YOU believe in, right?
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