Jesus: the Adam who didn't fall (procreation, incarnation, doctrine, churches)

[ahigherway]

Hi everyone!

Adam1 was commanded to "be fruitful and multiply." but he did this only after he was under the curse.
Adam2, or Jesus Christ, or the Word of God, was the Adam who obeyed God. His Seed has gone into all the earth (all mankind) and will continue to spread until all death is swallowed up of Life.

God has justified all mankind through the obedience of One. Grace means unmerited favor. If it were not grace, it would be works, and man would then be able to boast.

The Word is in you, in your heart and im your mouth. All mankind will come, because God is long-suffering. And His long-suffering is salvation. 2 Pet. 3:15.

blessings!
Brian

[tgnostic]

jesus Christ found ground zero, or, if you like, square one, though. Adam was instead looking for the existential feeling in Time of higher motivations in this Life. Fir the world at life; the Life-world.

Hey; that was a trip to New York.

[trettep]

Originally Posted by ahigherway

Hi everyone!

Adam1 was commanded to "be fruitful and multiply." but he did this only after he was under the curse.
Adam2, or Jesus Christ, or the Word of God, was the Adam who obeyed God. His Seed has gone into all the earth (all mankind) and will continue to spread until all death is swallowed up of Life.

God has justified all mankind through the obedience of One. Grace means unmerited favor. If it were not grace, it would be works, and man would then be able to boast.

The Word is in you, in your heart and im your mouth. All mankind will come, because God is long-suffering. And His long-suffering is salvation. 2 Pet. 3:15.

blessings!
Brian

Grace is Approval, not merely favor. God FAVORS us all, but He has not yet APPROVED us all.

[yeshuasavedme]

Originally Posted by ahigherway

Hi everyone!

Adam1 was commanded to "be fruitful and multiply." but he did this only after he was under the curse.

That is wrong doctrine. It is not from the Word of God.

Gen 1:27 So God made Adam in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male/זכר zakar and female/נקבה nĕqebah created he them.
זכר zakar and נקבה nĕqebah are sexual terms. Ish/male and Ishyah/female are terms which denote relationship and duties and offices, but זכר zakar and נקבה nĕqebah denote sexual procreation as the reason YHWH Elohym made the Adam male and female, with a remnant of the Adam spirit, to multiply the seed created in the loins of the Adam male, nurtured in the womb Adam female, as living sons of God, but one Adam kind/being/spirit/nature.

Malachi says He made them one, with the remnant of the [Adam] spirit, because He wanted sons of God -of the Adam house/kind.
In Adam, we, the seed in his loins, died as sons of God the day our first father ate the defiled fruit.

The Christ come in flesh of New Man [human being creation] came as second human kind Ish, named Israel [His New Man name as brother/Kinsman to all Adam] and the Ishyah is "Israel", also, born of His New Man Living One Spirit, which is Christ. -Jacob got the name of the New Man invoked over him as a sign of the adoption [regeneration of spirit] into the New Man name.

We who are born of Christ will have His New Man name written on our being, at the time of the regeneration of the body, which is the adoption body made in His glorious New Man image.
Any Adam seed born again in Christ is the Ishyah of Christ, whether they are born in Adam as a male/zakar Adam or a female /nĕqebah Adam.


Adam was made male and female, and the male and female Adam was "one kind/being/spirit" -Genesis 5:2; and Adam was formed in the image of the Word who was to come, bodily, who is the only image/Tselem of the Unseen YHWH, who is God the Word. Romans 5:14 says Adam was made in the image -the absolute "tupos"- of Him who was to come.

The Second Man is not an Adam in his flesh, and is not made for sexual procreation as the Adam race was made for. The second Man gets His sons by regenerating them in Spirit from the dead Adam spirit, and then regenerating them in body, for the Glory to indwell. That is what HE came for and that is what Adam lost at the fall.
Adam was made to multiply his seed to be living sons of God for the Glory, as a house for the Glory to indwell. We are the seed of Adam created in his loins come to fruit, not as sons of God [as Adam was created to be -Luke 3:38], but as dead in spirit, vain creatures with no purpose for our being, and that is our shame.

[scgraham]

Jesus, the second Adam, did not fall. He was tempted like we are, as He was the son of man, but He did not give into sin. He became the perfect sacrifice, a lamb without spot or blemish. Therefore, His blood washes away our sins when we respond to His call.

Since it was the first Adam's sin that caused the need for the second Adam, Jesus, then wouldn't we have that original problem again if we give into sin after we have been washed clean by His precious blood? Why would Jesus was away our sins if we would only continue to sin? We would still have the first Adam's problem.

Once the second Adam, Jesus, sets us free from sin, then we are to remain free. If not, then we are just like the first Adam after he sinned, fallen and cursed.

Jesus said, "... Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." - John 5:14

[trettep]

Originally Posted by scgraham

Jesus, the second Adam, did not fall. He was tempted like we are, as He was the son of man, but He did not give into sin. He became the perfect sacrifice, a lamb without spot or blemish. Therefore, His blood washes away our sins when we respond to His call.

Since it was the first Adam's sin that caused the need for the second Adam, Jesus, then wouldn't we have that original problem again if we give into sin again after we have been washed clean by His precious blood? Why would Jesus was away our sins if we would only continue to sin? We would still have the first Adam's problem.

Once the second Adam, Jesus, set us free from sin, then we are to remain free. If not, then we are just like the first Adam after he sinned, fallen and cursed.

Jesus said, "... Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." - John 5:14

We are still sinners until Jesus converts each heart. Some believe that when Christ died and rose that AT THAT TIME Everyone was removed from the label of sin. That wasnt' the case.

Paul made that clear even AFTER THAT TIME:

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Now Paul was acknowledging that there was STILL Sinners even after the resurrection.

[scgraham]

Originally Posted by trettep

We are still sinners until Jesus converts each heart. Some believe that when Christ died and rose that AT THAT TIME Everyone was removed from the label of sin. That wasnt' the case.

Paul made that clear even AFTER THAT TIME:

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Now Paul was acknowledging that there was STILL Sinners even after the resurrection.

The second Adam overcame sin, whereas the first Adam fell to it. Romans 6:16 only confirms that yielding to sin equates to death; the fall of the first Adam is proof that God means we are to stay free from sin.

Once the second Adam, Jesus, sets us free through His blood, then we become Saints who live free from sin; we walk in God's holiness. However, sinners are still wondering around in the dark, lost and undone; they are still of the first Adam.

[trettep]

Originally Posted by scgraham

The second Adam overcame sin, whereas the first Adam fell to it. Romans 6:16 only confirms that yielding to sin equates to death; the fall of the first Adam is proof that God means we are to stay free from sin.

Once the second Adam, Jesus, sets us free through His blood, then we become Saints who live free from sin; we walk in God's holiness. However, sinners are still wondering around in the dark, lost and undone; they are still of the first Adam.

Thanks for the clarification scgraham. I thought you were saying that there is no more sinners because Christ removed sin.

[ahigherway]

Actually, I am seeing just that: Christ was successful in multiplying Himself (Saul going to Damascus met Jesus within himself). I'm not saying that Jesus reproduced sexually, but Spiritually.

Adam1 only reproduced sexually, and this after the fall. So his seed went into all mankind, but it was a "polluted" seed. And man inherited his "bad genes."

But Christ was the Adam who succeeded in obeying God. He was not cast out of the garden. And His Seed remained pure, and when it died, began bringing forth much fruit.
I believe that man has now received new "genes," the old genes are now dead. That means that Christ has cleansed mankind. Peter learned this later: "what God has cleansed, call not thou unclean."

So sin is no longer "in our genes," because we are all reborn through Jesus Christ. Some simply don't know it yet, particularly because the churches are constantly telling them that they are sons of Adam1, not Adam2, Jesus Christ.

I don't think many can receive this message, especially the religious, who have vested interests in controlling the masses. But for the poor in spirit, this is truly Good News, and cool water, to know that the new Seed is already in you, and that you have already been justified by His grace (approval)!

Blessings to all!
Brian

[yeshuasavedme]

Originally Posted by scgraham

Jesus, the second Adam, did not fall. He was tempted like we are, as He was the son of man, but He did not give into sin. He became the perfect sacrifice, a lamb without spot or blemish. Therefore, His blood washes away our sins when we respond to His call.

Since it was the first Adam's sin that caused the need for the second Adam, Jesus, then wouldn't we have that original problem again if we give into sin after we have been washed clean by His precious blood? Why would Jesus was away our sins if we would only continue to sin? We would still have the first Adam's problem.

Once the second Adam, Jesus, sets us free from sin, then we are to remain free. If not, then we are just like the first Adam after he sinned, fallen and cursed.

Jesus said, "... Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." - John 5:14

Several things need addressing in your post.
1) Jesus was The Son of Man in heaven, who was with God, from the beginning, and who was God, hidden, and who was to come [in flesh] and in whose bodily image to come [which is come], Adam was formed. Romans 5:14 states that fact [Adam is the tupos of Him who was to come], agreeing with Genesis 1:26-28. --and as Son of Man in heaven who was with God and who was God, He remained in heaven when He came down to dress Himself in human flesh of second creation, made in the womb of the virgin for His putting on as a garment [Isaiah 59]: so the Son of Man in heaven is Christ seen, hidden before He became incarnate [seen there by Enoch, only, before the incarnation], but there; and there still; and there always. but seen in the face of Jesus the Christ, the second creation human being flesh that is called "Israel" [Isaiah 49:1-13, not "Adam".

Jhn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.
Jhn 6:62 [What] and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
God the Word is the Christ who is come in flesh as the second human being, whose name is "Israel", as second human being, and whose name is YHWH, as God the Word [Rev 19:12].
He is never a son of Adam in the Word, but is the Son of Man in heaven, Deity/YHWH the Word, who was always to come, and is come, and in whose image as the "Tselem of YHWH SEEN", Adam is formed, bodily.

2) The Second Man is the LORD from heaven come in flesh of second human being flesh creation, and as second Man -Israel- He was tempted in all points as every Adam is, but without sin:
a) the lust of the flesh [turn these stones to bread to satisfy your hunger]
b) the lust of the eyes [I will give all the glory of all the kingdoms of the world to you for it is mine to give, if you will bow down and worship me]
c) the pride of life [

From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan:thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

3) when we are born of Christ's Living Spirit, we are yet in the Adam nature, and we then are dual natured: Adam and Christ, the nature of the New Man. And we must die daily after the manner of Adam and take up our cross and hang our Adam nature on it daily, in the spiritual sense. We still fall, in Adam, for our Adam nature is crafty in his desires, but we do not dwell in that nature and its desires with our "on purpose will" to feed its wicked desires, and if we stumble, we have an advocate with the Father; Jesus Christ the Righteous One, who ever lives to make intercession for us, and who delivers us from our own selves, as oft as we abide in His Word and His word abides in us.

We will not lay down the Adam nature with its desires until we die, bodily. Only then will the war be ended which we fight victoriously, in Christ, day by day, by walking in the Spirit of the New Man/Christ, and not walking in the old dead Adam flesh spirit.