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Old 08-23-2010, 11:54 AM
 
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Adam flesh is the dead nature for which those who have repented and believed the Gospel are "baptized for", in the hope of its resurrection from the dead, in Christ.

Jesus commanded water baptism for the dead Adam flesh, which believers in Christ wear after being born again in the Living Spirit, and wear until the day they die. It is the Adam flesh that will rise again in the image of the New Man -Christ come in flesh is the second/New Man.

Paul discourses on the resurrection of the dead body in 1 Corinthians chapter 15. If the dead [body] does not rise, as some were saying, then why are they then baptized for it?, for water baptism is identifying the dead Adam nature flesh with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.
If the dead Adam flesh does not rise, then why are they who are being saved baptized for that dead flesh's resurrection in Christ's resurrection?


1Cr 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
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Old 08-23-2010, 01:54 PM
 
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Because many false teachings have been taken from isolation of the verse, taken out of context from the theme of the chapter, this thread seeks to bring light to the darkness of error of false teachings that teach any other thing than what Paul expounded upon, about the dead body being baptized for identity in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection, in the belief of and hope of the resurrection of the body itself, from the dead.

Only a born again in Christ believer can be baptized for the dead body they wear -for their own dead Adam flesh body they will subject to the obedience to Christ in the hopes of the resurrection of it in the image of the New Man.
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Old 08-23-2010, 07:29 PM
 
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Adam flesh is the dead nature for which those who have repented and believed the Gospel are "baptized for", in the hope of its resurrection from the dead, in Christ.

Jesus commanded water baptism for the dead Adam flesh, which believers in Christ wear after being born again in the Living Spirit, and wear until the day they die. It is the Adam flesh that will rise again in the image of the New Man -Christ come in flesh is the second/New Man.

Paul discourses on the resurrection of the dead body in 1 Corinthians chapter 15. If the dead [body] does not rise, as some were saying, then why are they then baptized for it?, for water baptism is identifying the dead Adam nature flesh with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.
If the dead Adam flesh does not rise, then why are they who are being saved baptized for that dead flesh's resurrection in Christ's resurrection?


1Cr 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
Jesus never commanded water baptism.

He called for baptism into the Father, Himself, and the Holy Spirit - which means to join yourself to Christ through the gospel.
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Old 08-23-2010, 08:56 PM
 
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Jesus never commanded water baptism.

He called for baptism into the Father, Himself, and the Holy Spirit - which means to join yourself to Christ through the gospel.
Just as Abraham was given circumcision of the flesh, to keep as an oracle, until it is fulfilled, in the same way the born again in Christ believers have been given water baptism for the dead Adam they wear, as an oracle to keep until it is fulfilled.

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Jesus was baptized, but Jesus never sinned, and Jesus commands believers to be water baptized, to subject the Adam flesh we wear to the sign of being crucified, buried, and risen with Christ.
It is that simple.
Moses was called to be the deliverer of Israel from bondage to Egypt, and yet on his way to fulfill his calling, the angel of the LORD met him to slay him for daring to go do the work he was called to, with a disobedient, impure, rebellious, stubborn, heart.
He was too ill to perform the circumcision of his son, but that was his death sentence, for not doing that, and his wife circumcised the son and Moses lived -and learned.



Mat 3:13
Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

As long as one is saved and does not die in the Adam flesh immediately -and so no need to baptise the Adam flesh, for they left it behind- and continues to live in the Adam flesh body, then they are commanded by Jesus to be baptized in water, "for that old dead Adam" which will rise in newness of life, in the regeneration, in the elementally changed-metamorphosed- image of it, to that like the Son of God.



Only those who are born of the Spirit can subject the dead Adam to water baptism in the hope of the resurrection of it.
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Old 09-02-2010, 09:47 AM
 
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So why do false teachings arise that claim there were groups baptizing for salvation and resurrection of departed souls who had departed their bodies, and that Paul referred to those who did such an anti-Christian thing? -because of willful ignorance of the Word of God, and because they reject the teachings of Jesus the Christ come in flesh, who said to be baptised -immersed- bodily, physically, after you receive the Gospel and repent of your sins, and thusly, you shall be saved. Not saved by water baptism, but saved by faith in the Gospel you believed, in subjecting your own dead Adam old man nature body, "by faith" to the hope of the Gospel of Christ in that body's death, burial, and resurrection in Christ.

Now the body we who hear the Gospel and believe it, and subject that body we wear to obedience to the Gospel, then has, by that act of willful, conscious, obedience to Jesus Christ, the "hope" of resurrection in the morphosed image of the New Man body and nature of Christ come in flesh.

Paul's discourse on the dead body of the old man nature rising from the dead is nothing connected to the doctrines of some pagan cult, as some claim it did, but to the old man nature flesh body rising from the dead in the resurrection, in righteousness, and changed to the New Man body and nature of Christ who is come in flesh, as Firstborn of the New Man race of human beings who will inherit the kingdom of God.

What if one hears the Gospel, believes, repents, and dies before water baptism for the "dead in Adam" body their souls wears can be submitted to the obedience of Christ -like, for instance, a death bed conversion to belief in the Gospel of Hope in Christ, or a conversion and death suddenly, before obedience can be performed by subjection of the dead Adam old man body of flesh? -That person is no longer wearing the dead Adam nature body, and so the point of subjection of it in obedience is a moot point, for they no longer wear it.

It is the wearing of the dead Adam flesh body, of a living soul, after hearing the Gospel and refusing to obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ, by refusal to submit the Adam, dead nature flesh, to water baptism as the sign of the death, burial, and resurrection of that same body with Christ, that is willful sin, an act of treason against the LORD, whom one claims they have yielded all subjection of the entire spirit, soul, and body to.

Anyone who dies in ignorance of the fact that Jesus has commanded the dead in Adam flesh body to be subjected to water baptism, which they continue to wear until the death of it or the change of it -at the time of the rapture, will not be judged for treason against His authority; but anyone who dies -who departs the flesh body at the death of it- who has heard the Gospel, repented of their sins, and then refused to accept the authority of Jesus Christ over their dead Adam nature flesh, by subjecting it to His command to be baptized in it, is guilty of willful sin, which is an act of treason to the LORD of that body, who bought it, ransomed it, to be His own, for change to His New Man image, by His blood.
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Old 09-02-2010, 02:26 PM
 
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Jesus never commanded water baptism.

He called for baptism into the Father, Himself, and the Holy Spirit - which means to join yourself to Christ through the gospel.
Then why did Jesus get water baptized by John?

John didn't want to but relented when Jesus said:
"Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness."

Jesus said:
Mark 16:16
"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."

Only the righteous enters heaven.
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