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Old 08-25-2010, 09:25 PM
 
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Is it just a coincidence that the doctrine of Apocatastasts(or at least a popular form of it) was declared anathema while the doctrine of ET was declared the orthodox position of the Roman Catholic Church at the end of the sixth century, and that the dark ages commenced at the exact same time? I don't think so ...

Also, if ET is true, then the imprisonment and torture of unbelievers really should be something that Christian desire to happen for all people who are not Christian, so that they finally confess that Christ is lord before they die, and escape the everlasting flames of eternal torture when they do finally die.

Also, the killing of young children should not be abhorred, because they are thereby saved from everlasting torture by default if they die before the age of accountability, according to contemporary fundamentalist teachings about who deserves to be tortured for ever after they die. The most merciful thing any Christian could do, if ET were true, would be to imprison and torture unbelievers until they confessed and begged for mercy, and then kill them to insure that they would not later regret their confession.

These are the simply and honest facts ... Abortion would be the surest way to save people, or infanticide for that matter. And imprisonment/torture for the purpose of forced confession would be preferable to allowing people to live and die without confessing and begging mercy from the church and from God. That was the way it was done by the Latin Roman catholic church in the dark ages, and if the ET is the truth, that is the way it should be done now. It would actually be the humane thing to do ...


Food for thought ...

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Old 08-25-2010, 11:06 PM
 
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Many Christians go on about how precious life is, and how it's a gift from God, but what's so great about say being born in Somalia, living in terrible poverty your whole life, starving to death and then going to hell to be punished by a God you had no idea existed?

Surely, there are grave problems with the system.
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:18 PM
 
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Many Christians go on about how precious life is, and how it's a gift from God, but what's so great about say being born in Somalia, living in terrible poverty your whole life, starving to death and then going to hell to be punished by a God you had no idea existed?

Surely, there are grave problems with the system.
Agreed ... the Christian world for the most part is the developed world. While the 3rd world is mostly Hindu and Muslim.

Jesus said that the poor are blessed in spirit, that theirs is the kingdom of Heaven ... That may have been the case before Christ died and resurrected and made it so that you had to be educated concerning him and believe in him in order to be saved from eternal torment. Now, most of the third world live in poverty and die only to be tortured for eternity by the God who is love.

The whole Idea is a mockery of justice and mercy, a mockery of love and compassion. But the rich Christians in the west with their mcmansions and luxury cars and flat screen high definition televisions and their mega churches and lavish opulent cathedrals etc. , are just as happy all the same.

There is definitely something wrong with this system, this false religion which pretends to be of Christ.

Even the hillbilly trailer park neocon. Christians have it so much better than most of those wicked heathen who live in the 3rd world, the comparative poverty is like living in paradise.

What a sham, what pompous and self serving balderdash ...
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:18 PM
 
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Is it just a coincidence that the doctrine of Apocatastasts(or at least a popular form of it) was declared anathema while the doctrine of ET was declared the orthodox position of the Roman Catholic Church at the end of the sixth century, and that the dark ages commenced at the exact same time? I don't think so ...

Also, if ET is true, then the imprisonment and torture of unbelievers really should be something that Christian desire to happen for all people who are not Christian, so that they finally confess that Christ is lord before they die, and escape the everlasting flames of eternal torture when they do finally die.

Also, the killing of young children should not be abhorred, because they are thereby saved from everlasting torture by default if they die before the age of accountability, according to contemporary fundamentalist teachings about who deserves to be tortured for ever after they die. The most merciful thing any Christian could do, if ET were true, would be to imprison and torture unbelievers until they confessed and begged for mercy, and then kill them to insure that they would not later regret their confession.

These are the simply and honest facts ... Abortion would be the surest way to save people, or infanticide for that matter. And imprisonment/torture for the purpose of forced confession would be preferable to allowing people to live and die without confessing and begging mercy from the church and from God. That was the way it was done by the Latin Roman catholic church in the dark ages, and if the ET is the truth, that is the way it should be done now. It would actually be the humane thing to do ...


Food for thought ...
Have you considered seeking counseling? You seem to have delusionsal thoughts.

Further, I haven't seen anything resembling what your ramble suggests in the Church. You are an odd duck. OTOH maybe your local town is odd. Filled with strange people who have strange beliefs.

Just so you know, the real world is not like that. Praise God!
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:19 PM
 
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What does ET stand for? The only 2 things I would use it for are; Extra Terrestrial, or EuroTrash.
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:30 PM
 
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Have you considered seeking counseling? You seem to have delusionsal thoughts.

Further, I haven't seen anything resembling what your ramble suggests in the Church. You are an odd duck. OTOH maybe your local town is odd. Filled with strange people who have strange beliefs.

Just so you know, the real world is not like that. Praise God!

LOL ... You failed to understand the whole point of the OP ... Of course the real world is not like that, at least not anymore. But it was during the inquisitions and holy wars of the dark ages which were ignited by false doctrines espoused and propagated by the Latin Roman catholic Church.

Of course Eternal Torment is a false doctrine and a mockery of God and his true purpose for humanity and all creation. But if ET were true, then wouldn't it be better for a person to be tortured now and killed after they confess, or better yet simply killed before they were the age of accountability, than to burn in hell for eternity? That is the point my friend ...

And that was exactly the excuse of the Latin Roman Catholic church for their myriad crimes against humanity all throughout the dark ages and even through most of the middle ages.


Peace ...
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Old 08-25-2010, 11:32 PM
 
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What does ET stand for? The only 2 things I would use it for are; Extra Terrestrial, or EuroTrash.

LOL ... ET = Eternal Torment/Everlasting Torture in unquenchable fire, the supposed destiny of all non-Christians according to the orthodoxy of Roman Catholicism and the traditions of fundamentalist Protestant Christianity ... Perhaps i should have spelled it out in the Title of the thread.
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Old 08-26-2010, 06:24 AM
 
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Hi Ironmaw!

Yes, the church goes to all lengths to save the "unborn," (even killing doctors), then condemns them to hell after they are born! Hypocrites!!

The fact is, that many (most?) Christians don't WANT all people to go to heaven! THIS is the difference in spirit between Christ who died for sinners, and sinners who want their ticket to ride and that's all..

The absurdity of hellfire (and its unscripturalness) is always worth confronting; like a skunk, once out of the house, the smell lingers for a long, long time.

Blessings,
brian
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:29 AM
 
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LOL ... You failed to understand the whole point of the OP ... Of course the real world is not like that, at least not anymore. But it was during the inquisitions and holy wars of the dark ages which were ignited by false doctrines espoused and propagated by the Latin Roman catholic Church.

Of course Eternal Torment is a false doctrine and a mockery of God and his true purpose for humanity and all creation. But if ET were true, then wouldn't it be better for a person to be tortured now and killed after they confess, or better yet simply killed before they were the age of accountability, than to burn in hell for eternity? That is the point my friend ...

And that was exactly the excuse of the Latin Roman Catholic church for their myriad crimes against humanity all throughout the dark ages and even through most of the middle ages.


Peace ...
Sometimes people purposely try to NOT understand (subconsciously or not) when they don't wish to address the point Ironmaw. It is an attempt at obfuscation to protect the house of cards they have constructed.

The fact of the matter is many horrible things happened during the dark ages in the name of God. So-called heretics were burned at the stake and it was considered a good and righteous thing to do because it was only a taste of things to come, as the heretics would be burning forever in hell anyway...
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Old 08-26-2010, 07:57 AM
 
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Andrea Yates drowned her children in a bath tub so she would ensure they would not go to a place of eternal torment. So, according to the true ET dogma, she did them a favor and rather than going to prison should be rewarded for what she did.
Who needs Christ? Just die before the age of accountability or get murdered before then according to the true ET idea. Thank God it is false!
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