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People like me that are looking out for your ungrateful stubborn behind.
People like you won't listen to us when we say we're not interested in the message you're trying to deliver.
Honestly, you're all the same: you accuse us of 'turning away' from GOd and his message, and refuse to face up to the real reason we left.
I'll fill in the blank for you -- you treat us like children.You call us sinful and evil. You refuse to accept any viewpoints but your own.
And yet, you seem to think that by confronting us, calling us 'ungrateful' and 'stubborn', and choking us with Bible verses, we'll somehow 'come back to the fold'.
You said that we have to 'want' a relationship with Christ. Well, has it ever occurred to you that we don't? Not because we somehow 'hate' you or Christianity, but because we simply don't. It's not the right path for us, just as Wicca, or Buddhism, or Judaism isn't the right path for you.
You want to win us back? Fine. Wonderful, glad to hear it.
Guess what?
We're watching you, and your fellows, for an example of Christianity, and I'll tell ya, we're not very impressed.
You refuse to learn anything about our faith, your voice seems to be stuck on a rotating selection of Bible verses, and all you ever do is shout at us and call us names.
If that's an example of Christian love and tolerance, I don't want anything to do with it. I left Christianity behind for a reason, and there's mounting evidence to indicate that I made the right choice.
People like you are why people like me rejected Christianity. You and Roman are full of hate.
John 12:48
[48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 12:48
[48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Roman6: Your smugness and Bible quoting aren't helping your case. You are hiding behind an ancient book of mythology. "I believe it, and that settles it", right? Not for me, it doesn't.
Most of us are adults here...even some elderly... and Allen is a teenager.
I don't see him as hateful...and don't believe that he is.
I actually admire his convictions. I may not subscribe to the same thing, but I do subscribe to holding true to what you believe in.
His basic interpretation of the Bible is pretty standard: RULES--JUDGMENT--PUNISHMENT or REWARD. MOF, I don't know how someone could read any modern translation, and not get that message. THAT'S the Book that is distributed by denominational Christian organizations. He belongs to one of those organizations...so, of course that is what he has to go by. So, what other conclusions could he have come to, than those he proclaims here? After all...that IS what the Book says.
Now, what we have here is what appears to me to be an intelligent, contemplative for his age, firmly seated in doctrine, proud and outspoken young man. Not some kid that's full of hate. Most young guys his age are on a quest for recreational sex and partytime...not debating theology and condemning immorality. If he was hateful, he'd be joining a gang...not logging into this forum.
I make a motion to not hold his zeal against him....and to show him some love, care, and concern...and help him to grow and learn. Something tells me that in time he will see the corruption and pollution that Book has suffered at the hands of selfish, evil men with an agenda to gain power and money...and his view will be tempered and modified. He won't lose his embrace of Christs core message of "Love each other"...but he will gain the discernment to see the doctrine of the judgmental, eternally punishing God...is the most egregious taint the Bible has had levied upon it.
Now, what we have here is what appears to me to be an intelligent, contemplative for his age, firmly seated in doctrine, proud and outspoken young man. Not some kid that's full of hate. Most young guys his age are on a quest for recreational sex and partytime...not debating theology and condemning immorality. If he was hateful, he'd be joining a gang...not logging into this forum.
But he is not contemplative. There was a perfect opportunity to discuss natural disasters, how they happen, when, all the disasters where nobody was hurt, the disasters where religious people were hurt, etc.
He doesn't care.
As for recreational sex and partytime? I see nothing wrong with either. I do see a danger with divisive proselytizing that brands people as deserving of eternal punishment. It inevitably dehumanizes them.
Jazzy before you respond to my other post later today or whenever you get on, I just want to say I got ahead of myself and I didn't respond in such a good manner. I responded in quick anger. I was extremely upset. Nobody has ever said that to me before so I was shocked and offended you would say something like that when I'm trying to do the complete opposite. So I apologize for coming off to you rudely and antagonizing if I did. I'm so at a loss right now, it's incredible. You can still respond to it but just know that I said it in the heat of the moment.
But he is not contemplative. There was a perfect opportunity to discuss natural disasters, how they happen, when, all the disasters where nobody was hurt, the disasters where religious people were hurt, etc.
He doesn't care.
As for recreational sex and partytime? I see nothing wrong with either. I do see a danger with divisive proselytizing that brands people as deserving of eternal punishment. It inevitably dehumanizes them.
Actually I do care. That's why I discuss them. I was under the impression that the ancient civilizations I listed and their rise and downfall was common WH knowledge. I didn't feel the need to actually write every single one's history and how they came to be and how their grand demise. I assumed you knew. But I guess I assumed wrong. Which was my fault. Recreational sex and partying at the tender age of 17? Not my idea of an adolescence. I feel like society had put that new pressure on this generation because of increasing unrighteousness during the 21st century. Because these things were not the pressures of the 1940s or 50s. Back then, I imagine most teens preoccupied with how they will be getting a passing grade on the mid-term or how are they going to ask Jen to homecoming or something of that sort. Nowadays guys my age are contemplating when their next hook up and weed party is. I have more important things to do like focusing on my college career and goals in life. Trying to be one step above the rest and NOT a teen statistic. It's not an easy job. And what's more surprising is that I'm not a social outcast. I'm not a prude either. I'm not a geek, I'm not a game freak, stoner, emo, jock, ladies man, or a computer nerd. I'm just your average young Christian guy who has taken a grand look at the world around him and realized just how far this nation, society, and the world has fallen from God. And I realized I don't want to be apart of that.
I can completely empathize with Allenk893, because I used to frequent the fundamentalist crowd, and I can say this: that as long as I believed that my neighbors were going to hell, and that God hated them, I couldn't walk in Love. It was impossible.
I could tell people that I loved them, but in my heart I despised them because my doctrine was telling me that they were sinners bound for a devil's hell.
And it was impossible for me to love them.
Blessings to all, especially Allen, whom I understand better than he knows..
brian
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Or are you suggesting that Jesus is wrong?
Or is it that you, Roman6, simply don't deal with them?
