Core Christian Beliefs (Latter-Day Saints, Buddhism, Book of Mormon, agnostic)
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If that were true and all Roman Catholics places their trust outside of "sola fide and sola scriptura" .. then yes. (Even if there was 18 million of them)
So let me see if I understand you correctly. Since I believe that we can probably agree (imagine that!) that Roman Catholics do believe in the necessity of both faith and works, and base many of their doctrines upon holy tradition (in addition to scripture, of course), are you saying that Catholics do not hold to "core Christian beliefs"??
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Jesus also said:
Sola gratia ("by grace alone")
Solus Christus or Solo Christo ("Christ alone" or "through Christ alone")
Anything other than sola fide ...God's wrath remains
Few are saved, many will not be able to.
Jesus said anything you want to attribute to Him if you look hard enough for it and disregard the things He said that you don't agree with.
So let me see if I understand you correctly. Since I believe that we can probably agree (imagine that!) that Roman Catholics do believe in the necessity of both faith and works, and base many of their doctrines upon holy tradition (in addition to scripture, of course), are you saying that Catholics do not hold to "core Christian beliefs"??
Based on as how you phrased it here, yes.
The key words are "the necessity of both and holy tradition"
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
Jesus said anything you want to attribute to Him if you look hard enough for it and disregard the things He said that you don't agree with.
Which explains why we are at odds Moderator cut: deleted
Jesus taught: "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
Jesus revealed to Paul: "The righteous will live by faith."
Paul wrote: "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law."
Jesus revealed to Peter: "you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls."
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
Are you kidding? Why would I want to settle for a Ford or a Chevy when I can drive something so much better?
No, I'm as serious as can be, there is nothing better.
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Jesus taught: "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
Jesus revealed to Paul: "The righteous will live by faith."
Paul wrote: "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law."
Jesus revealed to Peter: "you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls."
As I said, you can prove anything you want by selecting only those verses which support your position. I'm not interested in playing the game.
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No, I'm as serious as can be, there is nothing better.
You are so wrong. There is so much more. But as long as you are convinced there isn't, you're not going to find it.
What I don't get is people telling other they are not Christians if they do not agree with so called core beliefs. These core beliefs all came about because someone did not like what others believed so they put together what they believed and said if one does not believe like we do then one is not a Christian.
But since when did Christian mean followers of core belief?
Christian simply means followers of Christ.
So it is not the so called core beliefs that make one a Christian it is whether one follows Christ that makes one a Christian.
What I don't get is people telling other they are not Christians if they do not agree with so called core beliefs. These core beliefs all came about because someone did not like what others believed so they put together what they believed and said if one does not believe like we do then one is not a Christian.
But since when did Christian mean followers of core belief?
Christian simply means followers of Christ.
So it is not the so called core beliefs that make one a Christian it is whether one follows Christ that makes one a Christian.
That is the impression I was always under. But then again - I'm not a Christian. But whenever someone tells me they are - that's all I assume - that they are followers of Christ. I don't know the names for more than a few denominations - much less what they all believe. I could actually care less. All that I care about is what kind of a person someone is - kind, caring, loving, and most importantly - what kind of sense of humor do they have!!! I don't care if they are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu or alien.
But all these core beliefs or basic teachings - I think it's just all bologne. Christian just means that you are a follower of Jesus. And I don't think anyone has the right of saying that someone is a true Christian or not a true Christian. We should all have the right at least to believe in our own beliefs!!!
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