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Old 09-04-2010, 06:02 AM
 
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There are no second chances to be saved. Yep, that's right. But did you know there are no first chances to be saved? The bible never uses the word "chance" in connection with salvation. Why? Because God does not save people for the coming ages by chance but by choice . . . His choice.

He chose specific individuals before they were born who would be saved to live for the duration of the next two ages to come. The rest of mankind He did not choose.

So if there is an eternal hell, then God created billions of people just for the sole purpose of eternally torturing them since He obviously chose for them to not be saved. That is what the ET doctrine must boil down to if such a fate awaits the majority of mankind.

"God chose us before the disruption of the world." That disruption occurred way back in Genesis 1:2 before any human was created.

So, there are no second chances and no first chances. Salvation is not by chance but choice; His choice.
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Old 09-04-2010, 06:20 AM
 
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There are no second chances to be saved. Yep, that's right. But did you know there are no first chances to be saved? The bible never uses the word "chance" in connection with salvation. Why? Because God does not save people for the coming ages by chance but by choice . . . His choice.

He chose specific individuals before they were born who would be saved to live for the duration of the next two ages to come. The rest of mankind He did not choose.

So if there is an eternal hell, then God created billions of people just for the sole purpose of eternally torturing them since He obviously chose for them to not be saved. That is what the ET doctrine must boil down to if such a fate awaits the majority of mankind.

"God chose us before the disruption of the world." That disruption occurred way back in Genesis 1:2 before any human was created.

So, there are no second chances and no first chances. Salvation is not by chance but choice; His choice.
You got it!...
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Old 09-04-2010, 08:45 AM
 
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The way to be saved goes a little something like this. You confess and believe in your heart Jesus is the son of the God, and that he died on the cross for your sins. That's all it takes to be saved. This is how millions in the world today are saved. Now you choose not to believe that and not to confess that, who's choice is that? Hmm..let me think...YOURS?! You feel like you can't believe that, you feel like you can't do that, that is your choice and nothing but yours. People everyday decide to turn their lives over to God. Don't try to turn things around and make it seem like God picks and chooses who will have eternal life when you are sitting here like the bitter hypocrite you are REJECTING HIM AS YOU SPEAK!! He is not why you don't believe! YOU are why you don't believe! You can choose RIGHT NOW to be saved but you don't! Do you know why people are in hell right now? They had several chances to be saved from sin and they choose not to. They choose sin over salvation! And every single person who is there right now is there of their own accord. Not wanting to give up the ways of the sinful world. They chose their path to destruction instead of choosing to walk the path to God. You have the audacity to come here and try to say God picks and chooses when it clearly states in the bible we choose him! It takes faith to believe in God. Not science! Not criticism. Not any of the BS. It's strictly faith and spirit! Something critical and over-analyzing minds would know NOTHING about. Your hearts are hardened. And what's more sad is that even being here on the C-D boards talking to Christians day after day would never soften them. You would harden your heart against God even after knowing the word and you one day when you drop dead, you find yourself in hell and cursing yourself why you never believed. That is what has happened to millions in hell. They are screaming, knashing their teeth, and cursing themselves as to why they never choose salvation. Why they never choose God. Why they never gave up their sins. And you know what? It's sad. But your not them. And your here on Earth. And you still have the chance. If you think about God everyday. whether your rolling your eyes or rejoicing of his blessing, he's calling you. Especially the unbeliever. Now to sit here and claim God picks and chooses even though YOU are the one who thinks about him every day of your life coming to the RELIGIOUS SECTION of a forum, he is calling you to salvation, YOUR the one with the hard head who keeps rejecting him. Don't you dare try to blame God when you find yourself dead and find yourself in hell for your blatant REPEATED rejection of him. You have the chance now. You don't do it, this is your own fault! Just like you choose to murder your neighbor or sleep with your brother's wife or lie to your children, you choose to reject God. You have choices in this life, and you have consequences. Your an adult, you take full responsibility for the choices you make. Your not a child, stop acting like one.
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Old 09-04-2010, 08:55 AM
 
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There are no second chances to be saved. Yep, that's right. But did you know there are no first chances to be saved? The bible never uses the word "chance" in connection with salvation. Why? Because God does not save people for the coming ages by chance but by choice . . . His choice.

He chose specific individuals before they were born who would be saved to live for the duration of the next two ages to come. The rest of mankind He did not choose.

So if there is an eternal hell, then God created billions of people just for the sole purpose of eternally torturing them since He obviously chose for them to not be saved. That is what the ET doctrine must boil down to if such a fate awaits the majority of mankind.

"God chose us before the disruption of the world." That disruption occurred way back in Genesis 1:2 before any human was created.

So, there are no second chances and no first chances. Salvation is not by chance but choice; His choice.
And it's peoples choice to reject him. The bold part is your incorrect conclusion...and that is your choice.
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:31 AM
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If double predestination is true, than call me an atheist. But wait, he either chose me or didn't choose me, so what difference does it matter what I think? ......I am so confused. It's a like a dog chasing it's own tail. It must be false.
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:47 AM
 
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If double predestination is true, than call me an atheist. But wait, he either chose me or didn't choose me, so what difference does it matter what I think? ......I am so confused. It's a like a dog chasing it's own tail. It must be false.
It is your choice to believe incorrectly (double predestination) or believe what is written...God predestines only the believers, not the unbelievers.

double predestination ... is human logic.
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:51 AM
 
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If double predestination is true, than call me an atheist. But wait, he either chose me or didn't choose me, so what difference does it matter what I think? ......I am so confused. It's a like a dog chasing it's own tail. It must be false.
It must be your own blatant ignorance. Are you really telling me you can't do this

Confess and believe in your heart Jesus is the son of the God, and that he died on the cross for your sins.

If you can't do that or you simply don't want to, you have rejected God. Plain and simple. He did not choose for you not to believe. You chose. Because that is all it takes to be saved.
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:16 PM
 
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The way to be saved goes a little something like this. You confess and believe in your heart Jesus is the son of the God, and that he died on the cross for your sins. That's all it takes to be saved. This is how millions in the world today are saved. Now you choose not to believe that and not to confess that, who's choice is that?
Well, allenk, if you did believe then it was due to God's choice in choosing you to be saved, otherwise you could not believe. So, who's choice is that?

How could you choose to be saved before you were born? God chose you (if in fact He did) before the disruption of the world. Last I looked, that was a few years before you were born. Or do you now claim pre-existence?

Php 1:29 for to you it is graciously granted, for Christ's sake, not only to be believing on Him, but to be suffering for His sake also,
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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If double predestination is true, than call me an atheist. But wait, he either chose me or didn't choose me, so what difference does it matter what I think? ......I am so confused. It's a like a dog chasing it's own tail. It must be false.
juj, double predestination is true but not the diabolical way the eternal torment crowd believes.

God did predestinate just so many to be saved for a special work for the coming ages. Later on the rest of mankind will be saved at the conclusion of the ages.

Look at it this way, if believers are the only ones who will ever be saved then how can we have a special commission to head up all in the Christ, both all in the heavens and all on the earth? See Ephesians 1:9,10.
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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Will somebody tell me what double predestination is? I know what predestination is and I don't believe in it, but I need some help here with double predestination.
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