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That is true but there are many who are the way to Jesus. His mother and the saints who are in heaven.
If you were a stranger to God and one of the disciple came to you and brought you to Jesus to hear the word of God. Would you from that day fourth give glory to the disciple for bringing you to Jesus? Or would you give God the Glory for sending the Disciple to you.
Perception is a tool the enemy uses to deceive.
We are all as Christians co inheritors.
If you were a stranger to God and one of the disciple came to you and brought you to Jesus to hear the word of God. Would you from that day fourth give glory to the disciple for bringing you to Jesus? Or would you give God the Glory for sending the Disciple to you.
Perception is a tool the enemy uses to deceive.
We are all as Christians co inheritors.
I would be eternally grateful to the disciple but I would give Glory to God. We do the same with Mary. I really don't know why this is so hard to understand.
If the Catholic doctrine of Mary'a perpetual virginity is true (which is debatable), then I think Joseph deserves more of a gold medal, for enduring a sexless marriage (He and Mary married in their early teen's when their hormones must have truly been raging). In fact, a "Josephite marriage" is an actual term, meaning sexless marriage.
Well, Joseph does have a few things named for him, like Cities in Missouri, California, and Costa Rica; a college in Philadelphia; a prominent church in Montreal, etc. - but nothing close to the honor accorded to Mary.
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I think Joseph deserves more of a gold medal, for enduring a sexless marriage (at least according to the Catholic church, but not the Protestant church). (He and Mary married in their early teen's when their hormones must have been raging). In fact, a "Josephite marriage" is a term meaning sexless marriage. Well, he does have a few things named for him, like Cities in Missouri, California, and Costa Rica; a college in Philadelphia; a prominent church in Montreal, etc. - but nothing close to the honor accorded to Mary.
LOL, only in modern day America would we put sex on such a pedestal. The end all and be all of existence. It's thought that Joseph was a widower anyway and had children. He was chosen to be Mary's guardian and marriage made it possible.
I would be eternally grateful to the disciple but I would give Glory to God. We do the same with Mary. I really don't know why this is so hard to understand.
I've searched through many responses on this thread for the answer to something I've always wondered about relative to the ‘honoring’ of Mary by Catholics: What is meant by "HONOR?"
We "honor" many people, including the Apostles, the virgin Mary, a variety of historical and current religious leaders ... and many others. In this sense, "honor" means 'to acknowledge, respect, hold in high esteem).
“Worship†however, is different. It means that we idolize or ascribe deity to the person. Scripture clearly says that we are to ONLY 'worship’ God (the Father, Son and Holy Spirit), NOT any person!
The failure to define the term "honor" in this thread, has left me (and I suspect, many others) still confused about what is being discussed. - Thanks.
This I completely agree upon. Honoring is what is commending. The worshiping is what has begun to occur in branches of doctrine. The original teachings have been perverted by the enemy. Now confusion is abroad. This forum's intention is to teach. Or reconcile.
I would be eternally grateful to the disciple but I would give Glory to God. We do the same with Mary. I really don't know why this is so hard to understand.
Absolutely not. We use different words talking about saints and God. For God we say, I adore you, I worship you, I bless you, I give you thinks for your great glory. We never say that to the saints or Mary.
Just so you at least know what you are arguing against, can I provide a link so you at least understand the Catholic viewpoint? I'm not trying to convince you by any means, as it is something I had huge questions about myself.
Clearly, you don't seem to have much of a care for how you come off to other people, and I'm not about trying to change your approach. But let me just leave you this link that provides solid Catholic doctrine on the issue.
Just so you at least know what you are arguing against, can I provide a link so you at least understand the Catholic viewpoint? I'm not trying to convince you by any means, as it is something I had huge questions about myself.
Clearly, you don't seem to have much of a care for how you come off to other people, and I'm not about trying to change your approach. But let me just leave you this link that provides solid Catholic doctrine on the issue.
This teaching is inferring that we have a secondary line of communication with heaven which is false. There is only one line. So basically when praying to Mary, Jesus picks up the call and you ask for Mary. Then Jesus ask Mary what did they say. I was not taught by anyone but the spirit about scripture. I am only trying to help.
I posted above some prayers taught to Catholics. to which put Mary on a Mantle.
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