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He doesn't reject your service. Women have always played an important role in God's service. Nevertheless, Scripture dictates that pastors/elders/bishops be men.
1 Timothy 3
Titus 1
Oh barf!! When will this ancient chauvinism be eradicated from the earth! The roles applied to an ancient primitive culture in which women were chattel and not educated. Applying such ancient cultural anachronisms to modern society is ignorant and culturally barbaric.
Oh barf!! When will this ancient chauvinism be eradicated from the earth! The roles applied to an ancient primitive culture in which women were chattel and not educated. Applying such ancient cultural anachronisms to modern society is ignorant and culturally barbaric.
If education were a qualification for ministry, the majority of Jesus' disciples would not have been qualified. 1 Tim. nowhere mentions educational status.
He doesn't reject your service. Women have always played an important role in God's service. Nevertheless, Scripture dictates that pastors/elders/bishops be men.
1 Timothy 3
Titus 1
Recently I have been reading a persuasive article that Timothy and Titus were not written by Paul, as they are not consistent in writing or theme with Paul's writings. Most likely these were written long after Paul's death. And they really don't sound very similar. Would the same author who pitched a hissy about pastoral qualifications have also written the following:
Galations 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
If education were a qualification for ministry, the majority of Jesus' disciples would not have been qualified. 1 Tim. nowhere mentions educational status.
It doesn't mention bicycles either! The writings MUST be understood as they applied to the culture at the time and the status of men and women as it was then. Retaining the ancient cultural prescriptions as well as the ancient ignorance and applying them to modern society is ludicrous!
Recently I have been reading a persuasive article that Timothy and Titus were not written by Paul, as they are not consistent in writing or theme with Paul's writings. Most likely these were written long after Paul's death. And they really don't sound very similar. Would the same author who pitched a hissy about pastoral qualifications have also written the following:
Galations 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
This passage has nothing to do with church leadership qualifications. Rather, it refers to our standing with Christ, as believers. Paul's letters to Timothy were instructions on leading the local church.
It doesn't mention bicycles either! The writings MUST be understood as they applied to the culture at the time and the status of men and women as it was then. Retaining the ancient cultural prescriptions as well as the ancient ignorance and applying them to modern society is ludicrous!
You modify and delete Scripture to satisfy your worldliness-I will not.
Originally Posted by SmalltownKSgirl
Recently I have been reading a persuasive article that Timothy and Titus were not written by Paul, as they are not consistent in writing or theme with Paul's writings. Most likely these were written long after Paul's death. And they really don't sound very similar. Would the same author who pitched a hissy about pastoral qualifications have also written the following:
Galations 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
This passage has nothing to do with church leadership qualifications. Rather, it refers to our standing with Christ, as believers. Paul's letters to Timothy were instructions on leading the local church.
Of course it does. What better qualification is there than our standing with Christ?
Furthermore, I do not think you read my post, since my point was that Paul most likely did not write Timothy or Titus. Those letters were passed off as his, but those were not his instructions. That somewhat lessens the authority of them in my view.
In any event those letters were written as advice, probably good advice for their time and place, but not likely advice Paul would have given and not advice all churches are bound to for all time.
Originally Posted by SmalltownKSgirl
Recently I have been reading a persuasive article that Timothy and Titus were not written by Paul, as they are not consistent in writing or theme with Paul's writings. Most likely these were written long after Paul's death. And they really don't sound very similar. Would the same author who pitched a hissy about pastoral qualifications have also written the following:
Galations 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Of course it does. What better qualification is there than our standing with Christ?
Furthermore, I do not think you read my post, since my point was that Paul most likely did not write Timothy or Titus. Those letters were passed off as his, but those were not his instructions. That somewhat lessens the authority of them in my view.
In any event those letters were written as advice, probably good advice for their time and place, but not likely advice Paul would have given and not advice all churches are bound to for all time.
The traditional view is that Paul authored the letters to Timothy.
That you choose to dismiss these letters as "advice" is your business. I disagree. They are Holy Scripture.
Of course it does. What better qualification is there than our standing with Christ?
Our standing with Christ is...redeemed. But, Christ has designated some as leaders (Eph. 4). Not every believer is set apart for church leadership.
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