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Being gay i KNOW that my sexual orientation wasn't a choice, I would've rather had cancer than been gay. I was always a very religious kid. My main goal in life was always to fit in and blend in with the crowd. The LAST thing I would want would to be different. Recently it dawned on me that the reason many Christians REFUSE to accept the FACT that a sexual orientation is NOT a choice is because this would mean that THEIR understanding of the LITERAL interpretation of the bible (albeit not accurately interpreted because of cultural context misunderstandings and mistranslations) IS INCORRECT. This would make them question THEIR WHOLE WORLDVIEW. If the Bible can be wrong about ONE thing maybe other things are incorrect too..
The problem is SO MANY people KNOW gay people and know their truths and their lives. THERE WOULD BE no struggle if it was CHOICE. Homosexuality being a CHOICE would END homosexuality. Gay teenagers who have a CHOICE don't commit suicide over their sexual orientation. THEY JUST CHANGE THEIR ORIENTATION. Common sense and first hand proof via ASKING GAY PEOPLE proves that being gay is NOT a choice. Unfortunately this DOES prove that FUNDAMENTALISTS version of the Bible has been proven to be INCORRECT. So what this really is all about is THEM and their SELFISHNESS. They'd rather keep things IN THEIR MINDS the way they want them to be FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT and HARM gay people rather than embrace the possibility that they could be INCORRECT. It's an EGO thing. Thoughts?
Posting blind, so bear with me. In all honesty, it matters not a whit whether or not you were born gay. The Bible says that it is a sin. You may not be able to choose who you are attracted to , you can choose to not act on it. I'm not saying it won't be hard, but the Bible says that you can do all things through Christ Jesus who strengthens you. If you really want your same sex attraction to go away, I honestly believe that God can do that for you.
That people who post such are looking to justify their evil desires. You know it's evil, you know of people that have left that lifestyle, and you are full aware of God's condemnation of that chosen lifestyle and you know the scriptures that say such (being an evil choice).
To compare it to a race of people is insulting to God.
Exactly. It's an attempt to justify what God has condemned.
gain, the Mosaic law has nothing to do with the fact the homosexuality is a sin. You brought up the law because of the passage that I used.
AGAIN, for something to be a sin a CHOICE has to be involved. Surely I've demonstrated that my sexual orientation was not chosen. By very definition, SIN, must be something BAD that one CHOOSES. The fact that homosexuality is NOT a choice and that many people refuse to RESPOND to the fact is the VERY REASON gays are hated so much.. that's my point.
Personally, I can see the detrimental effects of non-monogamous hetero/homo relationships as well as of pornography. It makes sense to me that it is beneficial to abstain from those things. But what do you see as the downside to a monogamous homosexual relationship? How is it harmful to the people involved? Why would it make sense to abstain from that if one is, by nature, homosexual?
This might be difficult to get into without insulting people.
From a Catholic perspective sex is about procreation, love, and the complementarity of the sexes. Homosexuality only has one of those.
I guess I would lean toward saying it is not so much that it is harmful per-se as it is sub-optimal. The homosexual does not really need to understand the opposite sex in an intimate way, I don't just mean sex by intimate, as such even if they may choose to do so. You could say the same of monastics I guess, but that's acceptable as a devotion to God not a lover. Also some monastics are in a metaphorical sense "married" to an opposite sex person. Homosexuality also is not strictly speaking necessary. The species could continue without it. So it could be deemed "sterile" in several senses. (In that you don't need to learn much outside your own sex and you don't reproduce) So presumably the homosexual can do more good by not acting on it and therefore that's what they should do.
Not that I think complete perfection for anyone is possible. I've certainly lusted after some guy, meaning a male, at times. I've accepted I have both same and opposite sex attractions. One however could be something the other just couldn't, even if I wanted it to. Although to be honest I've chosen not to do anything with either one.
gain, the Mosaic law has nothing to do with the fact the homosexuality is a sin. You brought up the law because of the passage that I used.
AGAIN, for something to be a sin a CHOICE has to be involved. Surely I've demonstrated that my sexual orientation was not chosen. By very definition, SIN, must be something BAD that one CHOOSES. The fact that homosexuality is NOT a choice and that many people refuse to RESPOND to the fact is the VERY REASON gays are hated so much.. that's my point.
The decision to engage in homosexual activity is a choice. I have already explained in my initial post on this thread what is involved in this sin.
Last edited by Michael Way; 09-26-2010 at 08:16 PM..
Like I said in the other thread - some people will always remain in the dark about homosexuality. Love is love. Love between two consenting adults is hurting nobody. Love is the most wonderful thing in this world. It should be celebrated - not shamed.
I hope someday that there is no more intolerance, bigotry, and hatred. Until that day - I just do my best to keep going and try to keep a smile on my face and a song in my heart! Love is the answer.
gain, the Mosaic law has nothing to do with the fact the homosexuality is a sin. You brought up the law because of the passage that I used.
AGAIN, for something to be a sin a CHOICE has to be involved. Surely I've demonstrated that my sexual orientation was not chosen. By very definition, SIN, must be something BAD that one CHOOSES.The fact that homosexuality is NOT a choice and that many people refuse to RESPOND to the fact is the VERY REASON gays are hated so much.. that's my point.
Today my pastor taught a sermon on Ministry to the Homosexuals, and it was very good because I've struggled a lot on this issue as to why I believe there is no white or black answer to it. I come as a sister in Christ, in humility and love, that I disagree with you. When a stranger like me pick the word choice, it is not out of anger or hatred, perhaps ignorance. There is a specific reason to why I pick that word.
You are correct that sinning against God is a choice, but we sin intentionally and unintentionally. You're saying that homosexuality is not a sin, therefore, it is not a choice. We think that sin is always a conscious decision but it is not always so. IMHO, I believe that homosexuality is a sin where we do not self-consciously choose it, but it is still an unintentional sin. It is also a sin because homosexual acts are not natural acts. They are against God-created order.
I do not believe that God would create people in order to make them miserable forever. I do not believe that God would have created people for whom love would not be allowed. I do not believe that God would have created people whose only option was to have a "sinful" nature. I believe, that if God exists, that we were all created exactly the way we were supposed to be. I believe he would want us all to be happy. I believe that he would want us all to experience love.
I believe it is fellow human beings who condemn their fellow man that believe homosexuality is a sin - not God.
Once again - love is the answer. Love.
The decision to engage in homosexual activity is a choice. I have already explained in my initial post on this thread what is involved in this sin. You are simply attempting to justify your practices. You're not the first to do so, nor will you be the last.
Next thing we are going to hear how "loving" that people practice polygamy like the new TV show on TLC called "Sister Wifes", where the guy asks... "What's a normal family in American?"
Isaiah 5:20
"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."
Personally, I can see the detrimental effects of non-monagamous hetero/homo relationships as well as of pornography. It makes sense to me that it is benficial to abstain from those things. But what do you see as the downside to a monogamous homosexual relationship? How is it harmful to the people involved? Why would it make sense to abstain from that if one is, by nature, homosexual?
It is sin and gives the simblance to others that sin is ok, per Sodom and Gomorah. They lead others astray by their sinful indulgence. We must crucify self, it is in our nature to murder, should we abstain from murder?
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