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Old 07-22-2010, 10:05 PM
 
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"The Good News is that Jesus (Yeshua) ROSE from the dead! And, God is not holding sins against men. Our message is one of reconciliation."

On the other hand - The Scripture says:

Joh 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; "whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."

The Scriptures declare that the natural condition of mankind is "under the wrath of God." Only those who believe and obey the son are freed from God's wrath."

If Moderator cut: deleted is to be believed she must explain how the wrath of God remains on "her" "who does not believe and obey the Son?"

The question is: How can the wrath of God remain upon any man since according to Moderator cut: deleted -> "God is not holding their sins against men."...?

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Old 07-22-2010, 10:22 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Moderator cut: Orphaned reference says:

"The Good News is that Jesus (Yeshua) ROSE from the dead! And, God is not holding sins against men. Our message is one of reconciliation."

On the other hand - The Scripture says:

Joh 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; "whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."

The Scriptures declare that the natural condition of mankind is "under the wrath of God." Only those who believe and obey the son are freed from God's wrath."

If Moderator cut: Orphaned reference is to be believed she must explain how the wrath of God remains on "her" "who does not believe and obey the Son?"

The question is: How can the wrath of God remain upon any man since according to Moderator cut: Orphaned reference -> "God is not holding their sins against men."...?
I believe God ..........

In the other thread you say that only Noah and his sons were saved (this was physically) and all the others died (this was physically) These were types I believe ........ This is true but is only half of the story ......


but we also see that the purpose that the gospel is preached to the dead is that they are judged in the flesh (Adam and flesh and death) but live according to God in the Spirit (Jesus and spirit and life)

1Pe 4:5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
1Pe 4:6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
1Pe 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

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Old 07-22-2010, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Moderator cut: Orphaned reference

"The Good News is that Jesus (Yeshua) ROSE from the dead! And, God is not holding sins against men. Our message is one of reconciliation."

On the other hand - The Scripture says:

Joh 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; "whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."

The Scriptures declare that the natural condition of mankind is "under the wrath of God." Only those who believe and obey the son are freed from God's wrath."

If Moderator cut: Orphaned reference is to be believed she must explain how the wrath of God remains on "her" "who does not believe and obey the Son?"

The question is: How can the wrath of God remain upon any man since according to Moderator cut: Orphaned reference -> "God is not holding their sins against men."...?
Scripture also says


1 John 4:14
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son the Saviour of the world.


1 John 2:2
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 1:29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


I'll beleive the twofold witness of the two Johns

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Old 07-22-2010, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Please, if you are going to reply, address my OP.
I did, you asked

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Who are you going to believe? God...? or man...?


I replied

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I would believe the twofold witness of the two Johns.
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Rome, Georgia
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Originally Posted by Verna Perry View Post
Moderator cut: Orphaned reference says:

"The Good News is that Jesus (Yeshua) ROSE from the dead! And, God is not holding sins against men. Our message is one of reconciliation."

On the other hand - The Scripture says:

Joh 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; "whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."

The Scriptures declare that the natural condition of mankind is "under the wrath of God." Only those who believe and obey the son are freed from God's wrath."

If Moderator cut: Orphaned reference is to be believed she must explain how the wrath of God remains on "her" "who does not believe and obey the Son?"

The question is: How can the wrath of God remain upon any man since according to Moderator cut: Orphaned reference -> "God is not holding their sins against men."...?
Definitely you.

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Old 07-22-2010, 10:44 PM
 
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The question is: How can the wrath of God remain upon any man since according to herefornow -> "God is not holding their sins against men."...?

2 Corinthians 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:47 PM
 
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If Moderator cut: Orphaned reference is to be believed she must explain how the wrath of God remains on "her" "who does not believe and obey the Son?"
Moderator cut: Orphaned reference does believe and obey the Son, do why would you say that? Or am I misunderstanding your statement above?

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Old 07-22-2010, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Verna Perry View Post
Moderator cut: Orphaned reference says:

"The Good News is that Jesus (Yeshua) ROSE from the dead! And, God is not holding sins against men. Our message is one of reconciliation."

On the other hand - The Scripture says:

Joh 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; "whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."

The Scriptures declare that the natural condition of mankind is "under the wrath of God." Only those who believe and obey the son are freed from God's wrath."

If Moderator cut: Orphaned reference is to be believed she must explain how the wrath of God remains on "him" "who does not believe and obey the Son?"

The question is: How can the wrath of God remain upon any man since according to Moderator cut: Orphaned reference -> "God is not holding their sins against men."...?

What is your response to my OP ^^^...?...and please prove what you say with scripture, thank you.

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I did,...

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Old 07-22-2010, 10:50 PM
 
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Definitely you.
You didn't read my words..you are reading God's words...so I take that to mean you do believe God...good!
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Old 07-22-2010, 10:52 PM
 
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2 Corinthians 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
The word of reconciliation is to persuade men to accept God's love and mercy, and to repent so that he can forgive their trespasses.
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